[I. CALL TO ORDER]
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AND I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER THE WORKSHOP FOR THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE COPPELL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.PRESIDENT CAVINESS WILL BE JOINING US SHORTLY, BUT HE ASKED ME TO GO AHEAD AND GET US STARTED.
WE'LL KICK OFF WITH ROLL CALL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN ATTENDANCE TRUSTEE WALKER, TRUSTEE RAVAL, TRUSTEE SETHI, AND MYSELF.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK FOR OPEN FORUM THIS EVENING.
WE'LL BE ABLE JUST TO DIVE RIGHT INTO THE WORK SESSION.
>> GREAT. WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND KICK THIS OFF.
THE PLANNER, WOULD YOU MIND MOVING OUR SLIDES.
AS PRESIDENT BENTLEY OR VICE PRESIDENT OR SECRETARY.
AS MS. BENTLEY SAID, WE ARE HERE FOR OUR CONTINUATION OF OUR '24-'25,
[IV.A. 2024-2025 and 2025-2026 Budget Planning - Diana Sircar (Chief Financial Officer) (SPPG4) (FOS)]
'25-'26 BUDGET PLANNING PROCESS.THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF AND PARENTS WHO ARE HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE'RE JUST CONTINUING THE WORK THAT'S PREVIOUSLY BEEN STARTED, BUT TONIGHT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON SEVERAL KEY ISSUES INCLUDING LOOKING AT TIMELINES FOR DECISION MAKING.
WE'VE GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS COMMUNITY OF WHEN DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME OF THESE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE.
BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, DECISIONS ARE NOT MADE IN ISOLATION AND OFTENTIMES ONE DECISION HAS AN IMPACT ON OTHERS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE JUST TALK THROUGH THAT.
IT'S SOMEWHAT TENTATIVE AND THAT WE MAY MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO IT BUT THIS IS BASICALLY HOW WE PLAN.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR SHORTLY AFTER A NEW SCHOOL YEAR STARTS AND SO ONCE THE CALENDAR WAS APPROVED AT THE JANUARY AND THEN REINFORCED AT THE FEBRUARY BOARD MEETING.
THAT GAVE US TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT THOSE DATES AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED AND CALENDAR THAT OUT QUITE A BIT.
THEN THE BOARD ASK US ALSO TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR EVADER OR A VOTER APPROVED TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION.
THAT'S A PRETTY INVOLVED PROCESS AND SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS PUT SOME INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS.
THEN WE ALSO WERE TASKED FROM THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE FOCUSING ON COMMUNITY INPUT.
AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR CORE VALUES IS ENGAGEMENT.
WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT STAKEHOLDERS ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US IN MAKING DECISIONS.
ULTIMATELY, SOME OF THE DECISIONS MADE MIGHT BE STAFF, SOME MIGHT BE BOARD.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT INPUT IS PROVIDED TO EVERYBODY.
OUR CHIEF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER HAS DONE A REALLY NICE JOB OF PUTTING THAT PROCESS TOGETHER.
BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S IN DRAFT FORMAT.
IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADJUST OR CHANGE, THAT'S WHAT TONIGHT IS ALL ABOUT.
THEN WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT OPEN FOR A LOT OF DISCUSSION FROM YOU ALL, SHALL WE? IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT US TO TALK ABOUT.
IF THERE'S A TOPIC, AN IDEA, OR A SUGGESTION.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ANOTHER BUDGET WORKSHOP AT BOARD WORKSHOP, SPECIFICALLY ON APRIL THE 8TH.
ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HAVE IN ADVANCE TO HELP PLAN FOR THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, MS. SIRCAR, TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
>> WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE A YEAR CALENDAR THAT SHOWS WHEN WE START THINKING ABOUT STAFFING DECISIONS AND WHEN STUDENTS START PICKING COURSES, WHICH THEN OF COURSE, DRIVES THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS THAT WE NEED.
THIS JUST IS A BASIC, IT'S AN APPROXIMATE CALENDAR OF WHEN THESE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS ARE BEING HAD, OR DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE.
WHEN THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS, WE USUALLY HAVE A DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTION SOMETIME IN THE FALL.
THERE ARE DETERMINATIONS IF THERE IS ANY CHANGES FOR COURSE OFFERINGS.
WITH THAT ARE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT STAFFING.
THAT HAPPENS IN THE FALL, BECAUSE WE NEED TO START TALKING IN THE FALL ABOUT STAFFING DECISIONS FOR THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
WINTER COMES ALONG, AND THEN WE ARE AGAIN SEEING MORE DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS.
LOOKING AT NOW WHAT NUMBERS ARE WE GOING TO BE STAFFING FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
CONTRACTS ARE ISSUED IN THE MARCH, APRIL TIME FRAME, AND THEN WE GET DOWN TO THE SUMMER, AND THAT'S WHEN WE MAKE ANY FINAL DECISIONS THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.
NOT STAFFING DECISIONS, BUT MORE LIKE TRANSPORTATION DECISIONS OR SCHEDULES OR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
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WE'RE HIRING ALL SUMMER LONG, REALLY FROM THE TIME OF THE JOB FAIR, WHICH IS APRIL THE 7TH, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SUMMER, WE'RE HIRING.IN MID SUMMER THE COMPENSATION PLAN COMES TO THE BOARD TO BE APPROVED AND WE ADOPT OUR BUDGETING ON.
WE JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE'RE MAKING ANY BIG CHANGES IN STAFFING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE FALL.
>> WELL, THE JOB FAIR IS APRIL THE 6TH SO TAKE APPLICATION ON THAT.
ONE PIECE I WANTED TO ADD TO IS TYPICALLY, AS YOU KNOW, OCTOBER IS OUR SNAPSHOT DAY FOR OUR ENROLLMENT.
THAT'S AROUND THAT WINDOW AS DIANA SHARED, WHERE WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR DEMOGRAPHER AND WHAT WE WERE PROJECTED AND THEN ACTUALLY WHAT CAME IN STUDENT WISE.
>> I DO JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT MS. SIRCAR SHARED.
IF THERE WERE TO BE ANY SIGNIFICANT STAFFING CHANGES, WHETHER THAT'S PROGRAMMATIC OR LOOKING AT CONTRACT LENGTHS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THOSE DECISIONS WOULD REALLY NEED TO TAKE PLACE BY THE TIME WE ENDED FIRST SEMESTER BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN CONTRACT RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND TIMELINES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO MEET IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THOSE OR ASK INDIVIDUALS TO MOVE FROM ONE TYPE OF A POSITION INTO ANOTHER TYPE OF POSITION FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
REALLY ALL OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND DECISIONS HAVE TO HAPPEN WELL IN ADVANCE OF WHEN THOSE CONTRACTS ARE ACTUALLY ISSUED.
ALSO, IF WE WERE ASKING EMPLOYEES TO MOVE INTO DIFFERENT POSITIONS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT TAKES PLACE BEFORE WE POSTED ANY KIND OF JOB OPENING WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO FILL THAT WITH SOMEONE NEW TO THE DISTRICT A YEAR FROM NOW.
ALL OF THAT, AS MS. SIRCAR SAID, HAPPENS VERY QUICKLY WHEN WE START ONE YEAR, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING FORWARD AND PROJECTING TO THE NEXT YEAR.
>> ALSO, [NOISE] EXCUSE ME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE TALKED A LOT AS A COMMUNITY, THAT WE ARE COMMUNITY OF PLANNERS AS YOU KNOW, WITH US ADOPTING A TWO YEAR CALENDAR, PEOPLE LIKE TO PLAN AHEAD AND ALSO OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL EXPECTATIONS AND AT THE REQUEST OF SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT HAVING A GOOD ON RAMP SO THAT WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE MADE, PEOPLE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO PLAN AND PREPARE, WHETHER THAT BE PARENTS, STUDENTS, STAFF MEMBERS.
JUST AS MUCH AS WE CAN BE AS PROACTIVE AS WE CAN TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY AS WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES.
ANY THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK ON THIS TIMELINE AND PLANNING GUIDE?
>> I'M GLAD YOU GUYS SHARED THIS.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING, AS BOARD MEMBERS, WE ANECDOTALLY KNOW SOME OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING.
BUT I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF ALL OF THESE THINGS TOO.
>> THEN WE CAN MOVE ALONG TO THE VOTER APPROVED TAX CERTIFICATION ELECTION.
THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS I THINK.
THESE ARE THE PENNIES THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE.
TEA CALCULATES WHAT THE MAXIMUM COMPRESSED RATE IS FOR EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND ON TOP OF THAT MAXIMUM COMPRESSED RATE, AND THAT GETS CALCULATED EVERY SUMMER, ON TOP OF THAT, DISTRICTS CAN ADD ENRICHMENT PENNIES.
BACK IN 2010, THE DISTRICT VOTERS APPROVED ALL 17 PENNIES THAT WERE AVAILABLE.
THEN IN 2019 WHEN HOUSE BILL 3 WENT IN PLACE, SOME OF THOSE PENNIES WERE CHANGED FROM COPPER TO GOLDEN AND SOME WERE COMPRESSED.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, COPPELL ISD HAS ACCESS TO EIGHT GOLDEN PENNIES AND 5.83 OF THE COPPER PENNIES.
THERE IS FUTURE TAXING CAPACITY OF 3.17 COPPER PENNIES.
THOSE COPPER PENNIES ARE WORTH ABOUT $740,000 A PIECE.
ALL 3.17 PENNIES WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF AROUND $2.3 MILLION IN REVENUE TO THE DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, COPPER PENNIES ARE SUBJECT TO RECAPTURE, SO THAT'S WHERE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE COPPER AND GOLDEN PENNIES.
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THIS IS JUST A HISTORY OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE.YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM 2012-2018, WE WERE AT $1.17, AND THEN 2019, THE HOUSE BILL 3 CAME IN PLACE AND THE TAX COMPRESSION STARTED.
TAXPAYERS STARTED SEEING THAT TAX RELIEF AS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE DECREASED.
LAST YEAR IT WENT DOWN TO 0.6639, AND THEN PLUS THE 13.83 ENRICHMENT PENNIES THAT WE HAVE ON TOP OF THEM.
THIS IS THE PROCESS FOR A VOTER APPROVED TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION.
THE DISTRICT MUST CONDUCT AN EFFICIENCY AUDIT PRIOR TO CALLING A VATRE.
THE DISTRICT WOULD NEED TO, IN THE OPTIMAL TIME FRAME, SELECT A FIRM TO CONDUCT AN EFFICIENCY AUDIT IN THE APRIL TIME FRAME, HAVE THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT CONDUCTED OVER THE SUMMER, PUBLISH THE RESULTS ON THE WEBSITE.
THE BOARD WOULD DISCUSS THE AUDIT RESULTS, AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO CALL FOR VATRE IN AUGUST FOR A NOVEMBER ELECTION.
NOVEMBER IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN A VATRE CAN BE CALLED.
>> LET'S PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND, EXCUSE ME, AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.
>> DOES THE $2.3 MILLION ON THE COPPER PENNIES INCLUDE WHAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO RECAPTURE GIVEN THE CURRENT RATE?
>> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THIS IS THE CRITERIA FOR THAT EFFICIENCY AUDIT.
IT REALLY JUST LOOKS AT OVERALL OPERATIONS OF THE DISTRICT, BOTH FINANCIALLY AND LOOKING AT STAFF RATIOS, AND THAT TYPE OF THING, AND COMPARES THE DISTRICT TO PEERS AND TO THE STATE.
BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT HOUSE BILL 3 FROM 2019 PROVIDES FOR ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION OF THE COPPER PENNIES EACH TIME THE BASIC ALLOTMENT IS INCREASED.
SHOULD THE DISTRICT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT HAVE GONE UP AND GOTTEN ADDITIONAL PENNIES THROUGH A VATRE.
BUT IF THE LEGISLATURE COMES IN AND PROVIDES AN INCREASE TO THE BASIC ALLOTMENT, THOSE COPPER PENNIES WILL GET COMPRESSED AGAIN.
THEN IN ORDER TO GET THOSE BACK, THE DISTRICT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK OUT FOR ANOTHER ELECTION.
>> ON THE AUDITS DO WE KNOW OF ANY DISTRICTS WHO HAVE HAD THE AUDIT AND THE AUDITORS SAID THAT THEY DON'T QUALIFY FOR A VATRE.
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT, THE ONLY ONES THAT I'VE TALKED TO ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE PASSED A VATRE.
THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD AN EFFICIENCY AUDIT THAT ALLOWED FOR THEM TO CALL THE VATRE.
I THINK THE INTENTION OF THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE THAT THE DISTRICT HAS DONE EVERYTHING IT CAN PRIOR TO ASKING FOR TAXPAYERS TO INCREASE THE TAX RATE.
>> WHICH IS, EXCUSE ME, ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON AS A TEAM, EXCUSE ME, AND THEN ALSO ADDITIONAL PIECES.
WE'VE HAD SALARY STUDIES, WE'VE HAD STIPEND STUDIES.
WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO AN INTERVENTION SERVICES TO LOOK AT OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION PIECE.
WE'VE HAD PROGRAM REVIEW WITH OUTSIDE GROUPS.
SOME OF THIS IS THE BEGINNING PROCESS IS THAT THEY MIGHT EITHER ACCEPT THAT WE'VE DONE OR AS TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SOME OF THIS WE WOULDN'T BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS A LOT OF WORK AND TIME AND TIME SENSITIVE.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES.
>> OF THE REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
THIS IS, WE'VE DONE THE OPEN ENROLLMENT IN CERTAIN AS EXPANDMENT AS WE COULD BE TO THE POINT WHERE IT BECOMES A DIMINISHING RETURN.
THEN ATTENDANCE IS THE OTHER BECAUSE OF THE AVERAGE DAILY RATE.
WE'RE 96, 5ISH% THERE. WHAT IS OUR NUMBER?
>> IF EVERYBODY CAME ALSO, THAT WOULD ADD SOME THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN OUR CONTROL IS TO MAKE THEM.
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THEN WOULD THIS BE ADDITIONAL LEVER THAT'S WITHIN OUR CONTROL? IS THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT BEING A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.LET'S EXPLORE EVERY POSSIBLE REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE.
>> THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, BUT ALSO IT REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T SUPPORT IT, THEN THERE WE GO.
TWO, AS DIANA SAID, IF YOU'LL EXPLAIN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
IT'S SUBJECT TO RECAPTURE WHICH MEANS WE DON'T GET TO KEEP IT ALL.
>> THOSE PENNIES ARE LEVIED AND IT BRINGS IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND SOME OF THAT IS.
>> IT IS CALCULATED BY THE WADA SO THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE.
>> CONSIDERING THOSE TWO FACTS, MAY NOT BE TONIGHT BUT FUTURE DATE, CAN YOU GET THESE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT COMMUNITY MIGHT MORE CLEARLY APPRECIATE OF HOW MUCH REVENUE AT THE END, CONSIDERING OUR CURRENT WADA, AND 0.0317, 3.17 PENNIES.
HOW MUCH DOES THAT REVENUE MEANS CONSIDERING OUR CURRENT PRODUCT FORECASTED RECAPTURE BECAUSE IT HAS GONE DOWN FOR NEXT YEAR, WHAT EFFECTIVELY DISTRICT GETS IN HAND.
SECONDLY, AFTER NET IS 0.023 WHAT IT WOULD MEAN AFTER, AND THEN FOR COMMUNITY IT WILL BE CHARGED AT 3.17 PENNY, WHAT IT MEANS FOR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, HOW MUCH OF THEIR TAX WOULD GO UP.
THIS WAY WE'LL HAVE THE BOTH NUMBERS EFFECTIVELY.
BOTTOM LINE, THIS IS THE REVENUE DISTRICT WILL GET AFTER A PERCENTAGE AND AFTER RECAPTURE DEDUCTION.
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE THAT WILL HIT OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR COMMUNITY, FOR THIS INCREASE.
>> THAT WILL DEPEND UPON THE AMOUNT THAT PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE NEXT YEAR.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE IF THE DISTRICT HAD VALUE GROWTH OF ABOUT 7.8%, IT WOULD OFFSET THE 3.17 PENNIES BECAUSE THE MN RATE WOULD BE COMPRESSED ENOUGH TO PEOPLE WOULD STILL BE PAYING THE SAME RATE, THE SAME AMOUNT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ESTIMATE WHAT THE GROWTH IS.
>> OR COULD WE DO IT COMPARED TO WHAT PEOPLE'S TAX RATE WAS THIS YEAR, JUST SO THEY HAVE LIKE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON?
>> TO BE CLEAR, WOULD YOU DO THIS, I SHOULD ASK HOW LONG DOES IT LAST?
>> IT DOES LAST FOREVER UNTIL THE BASIC ALLOTMENT IS INCREASED AND THEN THE COVER PENDING SECTION.
>> LEGISLATIVE RULES CAN COMPRESS THEM FURTHER.
>> SO WE COULD DO THIS, IT COULD PASS IN FALL OF 2024.
WE COULD HAVE A LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT UNDOES IT IN 2025 IN THEORY.
>> BUT REMEMBER TOO THAT IF THE PENNIES WILL STILL CONTINUE TO BE COMPRESSED, SO IF YOU DON'T ASK FOR THE 3.17 THEN YOU'LL GET ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION ON THOSE COPPER PENNIES.
THE GOOD THING IS, IS THEY DON'T COMPRESS THE GOLDEN PENNIES AND THE GOLDEN PENNIES ARE NOT SUBJECT TO RECAPTURE AND THE DISTRICT GETS TO KEEP ALL OF THAT REVENUES.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW MISS BROWN, BUT THE SAME LIMITATIONS, I THINK THEY ARE THE SAME LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS BEING CAUTIOUS ABOUT ELECTIONEERING REGARDING BOND, FOLLOW THE NEWS.
THERE'S A HANDFUL OF DISTRICTS THAT ARE BEING SUED NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A BELIEF THAT THEY CROSSED OVER THE LINE.
BUT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME THINGS THAT WE DO WITH THE BOND.
>> IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
THE ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE WHAT THE MONEY WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY USED FOR.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO OUTLINE ITS INTENT TO BE SPENT.
IN A BOND ELECTION, YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO CROSS SOME OF THOSE LINES.
A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH EVADER IS YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY DECLARE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON.
THAT WOULD BE A PIECE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH AND THEN WE COULD USE THAT IN OUR MESSAGING.
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>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE LIKE SPECIFIC PROGRAMS OR MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS.
>> WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL EXAMPLES.
TODAY WE PROBABLY LOOKED UP TEN OR 15 DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY DONE IT.
AND SOME OF THEM SAY TO HELP PAY FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, LIKE THE NEW MANDATES AND SAFETY AND SECURITY.
SOME OF THEM HAVE SAID TO PAY FOR COMPENSATION.
>> IT COULD BE GENETIC, NOT SUPER SPECIFIC.
>> AT LEAST FOR THAT SPECIFIC THING FOREVER.
>> WE DO HAVE TO OUTLINE HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
THAT IS ONE OF THE CAVEATS OF THIS PIECE.
>> BUT YOU COULD SAY STAFF COMPENSATION, WHICH YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE.
>> WHICH PRETTY MUCH EVERY DISTRICT SAID THAT.
I MEAN, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT THAT WE LOOKED AT SAID STAFF COMPENSATION.
>> YEAH. MOST OF GENERAL ENOUGH THAT IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT GENERAL ENOUGH THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ONGOING OPERATIONAL PROCESS YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE.
BUT WHAT I COULDN'T REMEMBER IS I KNOW LIKE KIDS, IF YOU'RE FOR A BOND ELECTION, AND YOU HAVE KIDS IN YOUR MESSAGING YOU CAN'T USE EXAMPLES LIKE YOUR TAXES WOULD BE NO EQUIVALENT, THEN STARBUCKS.
I MEAN, THAT SPECIFIC [OVERLAPPING] TROUBLE ON, WE'RE NOT IN ONE OF THOSE NOW, SO I CAN SAY ALL THAT.
THAT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> IN A WAY IS SIMILAR TO THE BOND.
ANYTHING WHICH IS SPECIFIC FOR LANDING OR I THINK WE HAVE RANGING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.
>> THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I THINK BACK IN 2010, THE LAWS WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DECLARE EXACTLY HOW YOU WERE GOING TO SPEND IT.
YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO BE CAREFUL IN YOUR MESSAGING ON SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN OR THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I REMEMBER BACK, BUT YOU HAD TO BE CAREFUL.
AND THEN THE LAW CHANGED A LITTLE BIT TO THIS NEW FORMAT.
>> IF WE WENT DOWN THIS ROAD, HOW MUCH IS AN EFFICIENCY AUDIT?
>> IT'S ANYWHERE $20-25 THOUSAND.
>> SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE AN AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD OF LET'S JUST SAY $500,000 WHICH IS MORE THAN THE AVERAGE RIGHT.
USD. WE TAKE OFF THE $100,000 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
>> PER YEAR, PER HOUSEHOLD, PER HOUSE VALUE.
>> NOW THAT IS IF THERE IS NO COMPRESSION OF THE TAX RATE, IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION BECAUSE OF GROWTH AND THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME COMPRESSION.
>> THAT'S KIND OF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO ON $1,000.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER VADER QUESTIONS?
>> AS WE KIND OF MOVE THROUGH THIS BUDGET PIECE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE WILL SEEK ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT IN THIS PROCESS.
WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME GROUPS ALREADY ON THIS PROCESS, ON SOME OF THE SURVEY QUESTIONS OR THE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE QUESTIONS THAT WE MIGHT ASK.
WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT PARENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR ADMINISTRATORS AND THEN WE JUST RECENTLY SPOKE WITH OUR PTO PRESIDENTS AND GOT SOME INPUT FROM THEM.
WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT WOULD GO OUT TO ALL PARENTS, STAFF MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY IN APRIL THAT WOULD START TO GAUGE, TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY VALUES, WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE.
THEN WE WOULD HOLD, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN THE BOND, WE WOULD HOLD A COMMUNITY DIALOGUE EVENT, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT EVENT.
THEN WE CALL IN THE CHS CAFETERIA WHERE WE WOULD PRESENT SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THEN WE WOULD GET IN SMALL GROUPS, WE WOULD SEEK INPUT AND FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY ALLOW THEM TO IN SMALL GROUPS ASK QUESTIONS, GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND INPUT ON BASED ON THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD USE IN THE SURVEY AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT OPEN CONVERSATION IS A GOOD TIME TO GET THAT INPUT AND FEEDBACK.
THAT REALLY WAS THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUPS THAT WE SPOKE WITH.
THE PARENT ADVISORY, THE ADMINISTRATORS AND THE PTO PRESIDENTS, WAS THAT IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS IS WHEN YOU CAN REALLY GET TO THE HEART OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE A SURVEY COMMUNITY DIALOGUE EVENT IN APRIL.
THEN WE WOULD BEGIN TO USE THE MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.
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DEIC, SOME OF THE SUPERINTENDENT ADVISORY COMMITTEES THAT HE HAS ACROSS THE DISTRICT, AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT COMMITTEES, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE, TO SEEK THE SAME FEEDBACK THROUGH THOSE SMALL GROUPS.IF AT THAT TIME WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE COULD COME AND GIVE YOUR INPUT SESSIONS LIKE HERE IN THE BOARD ROOM.
WE DID THAT DURING OUR VISIONING WORK AND WE WOULD HOLD IT HERE OR AT LGI AND CMS WEST WHERE WE COULD GET SOME MORE TARGETED FEEDBACK IF WE FELT LIKE WE NEEDED THAT.
WE WILL DO CAMPUS AND COMMUNITY ROAD SHOW PRESENTATIONS LIKE WE DID IN THE BOND.
SO WE'LL GO TO PTO MEETINGS, WE GO TO CAMPUS STAFF AND THEN TO DIFFER COMMUNITY GROUPS AND REALLY PRESENT AND TALK ABOUT THE BOND AND SEEK THAT INPUT.
WE WILL ALSO SHARE INFORMATION WITH OUR CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS, CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE AND CITIES, AND THEN COLLECT ALL.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT INPUT THROUGH OUR INPUT EMAIL.
WE THINK AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND YOU DETERMINED THERE ARE SOME PIECES, WE CAN ADJUST THIS AND BEGIN IF WE NEED TO GET SPECIFIC INPUT ABOUT A PARTICULAR AREA, WE CAN MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
>> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO SAY THAT I TRUST YOU AND YOUR TEAM INCREDIBLY, BASED ON PAST BEHAVIOR.
I KNOW WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT AND YOU GUYS KNOW WE ALL LISTEN TO A MILLION MEETINGS.
THIS IS ONE OF MY HUGE THINGS AND SO I HAVE UTMOST CONFIDENCE IN THIS.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT THIS.
I KNOW WE'RE BETTER TOGETHER, LIKE WITH OUR WHOLE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND SO I WOULD JUST AS I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK IT'S EMBEDDED IN IT, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT VOICE WHEN IT'S STILL IN THE CRAFTING OF THE IDEAS.
LET'S ACTUALLY GET THAT INTELLECTUAL AND EXPERIENCE CAPITAL.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PASS AFTER SOMETHING'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
I WANT TO GET INPUT IN THE ACTUAL CREATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WHICH SOUNDS LIKE, ESPECIALLY WITH FOCUS GROUPS, IF WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROBLEM STATEMENTS WITH AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS, ALL OF THAT SEEMS REALLY WELL EMBEDDED.
THAT'S CRITICAL TO ME IS THAT WE GET PEOPLE ENGAGED IN THE BEFORE AND DURING AND NOT QUITE AS MUCH IN THE ACTOR.
I SAW SOMETHING ON INSTAGRAM, SO BEAR WITH ME.
IT IS THAT THERE IS NO RIGHT DECISION.
THAT REALLY SPOKE TO ME IN THIS MOMENT.
BECAUSE WE HAVE DECISIONS TO BE MADE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND WE DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN AND THEN WE MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT.
I REALLY DO THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY WILL COME ALONG WITH US AND ALL OF THIS IF WE DO THIS PART.
AGAIN, JUST LIKE WHEN BACK IN THE PTO DAYS, YOU ALWAYS RAISE MORE MONEY WHEN PEOPLE KNEW WHAT YOU WERE RAISING THE MONEY FOR.
WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH THE TAX RATIFICATION.
TO SOME EXTENT I JUST WOULD ALSO THROW OUT THAT WHEN YOU HAVE BROAD THINGS, PEOPLE INTERACT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WHEN IT'S A SPECIFIC PROBLEM STATEMENT.
WHEN WE GET INTO THOSE FOCUS GROUPS IN THAT COMMUNITY DIALOGUE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SOLVE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS, I JUST ENVISION THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO COME TOGETHER AND MAYBE WE GET SOME IDEAS THAT WE HAD NEVER THOUGHT OF BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY.
I WAS TALKING, THANK YOU FOR NODDING. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> NO, I AGREE I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'VE APPROACHED THIS ALL ALONG.
IS THAT WE NEED TO SEEK SOME INPUT.
THEN AS WE GO THROUGH BUDGET WORKSHOPS AND BOARD MEETINGS, UP UNTIL APRIL THE EIGHTH, IT MAY NEED TO CHANGE AT THAT POINT AFTER THAT MEETING.
WE MAY NEED TO GO BACK OUT AND SEEK ADDITIONAL INPUT THAT CAN THEN WE CAN BRING BACK TO YOU AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE MORE DECISIONS.
IT'S LIKE A FUNNEL. WE NEED TO START A LITTLE BIT BROAD AND GET SOME GOOD THOUGHTS.
THEN AS WE NEED MORE INPUT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC, THEN WE CAN GO AND MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS WILL WORK THROUGH THIS TIMELINES THAT THEN WE CAN GO FIND AND GET THE INPUT THAT THAT YOU ARE SEEKING.
WE HAVE OUR SUPERINTENDENTS, PARENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHERE WE REVIEWED THESE QUESTIONS WITH THEM, AND ALSO SOME TENTATIVE SLIDES ABOUT JUST HELPING TO BUILD CONTEXT.
BECAUSE AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMITTEE WILL SAY TO ME, BRAD, HOW IS OUR BUDGET CHALLENGES WHEN YOU JUST PASSED A $321 MILLION BOND? THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE BUCKETS, SO WE HAVE TO REALLY GET GRANULAR AND JUST TALK ABOUT THAT'S SEPARATE.
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WE ALSO HAVE TO ALWAYS BE CAREFUL THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THINGS, EXPECTING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.EITHER OUR EDUCATIONAL ACRONYMS OR ANY OF THAT VERNACULAR.
WE REALLY GOT GOOD FEEDBACK FROM OUR PARENTS THAT, HEY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.
THAT GROUP AND THEN OUR DISTRICT AND CAMPUS PRINCIPALS GAVE GREAT FEEDBACK, AND THEN THE PTL PRESIDENTS WERE GREAT.
PTL PRESIDENTS GAVE US GREAT FEEDBACK AND THEY'RE PROBABLY OUR MOST PLUGGED IN PEOPLE.
THOSE THREE GROUPS REALLY HELPED US IN JUST FORMING.
WE'VE LANDED ON THREE REALLY BROAD QUESTIONS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, LEE, AND AS ANGELA MENTIONED, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO START NARROWING THAT DOWN.
BUT WE HAVE OUR CORE VALUES, WE HAVE THE PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD.
TRY TO PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER. I AGREE WITH YOU.
I MEAN, THESE ARE TOUGH TIMES AND TOUGH CHALLENGES.
BUT AS A COMMUNITY, WE CAN ALWAYS RALLY TOGETHER AND MAKE THEM WORK.
WHAT IS DIFFICULT IS WHEN SOME OF THAT GETS DERAILED BY A SMALL GROUP OR INDIVIDUALS AND THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS ANYMORE.
WE HAVE TO JUST REALLY BE INTENTIONAL WITH OUR COMMUNICATION.
AS WE'VE SAID, AFTER EVERY ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, WE'RE GOING TO SEND AN E MAIL OUT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WAS DISCUSSED.
THERE WAS NO ACTION ON THE AGENDA.
AGAIN, SOMETIMES PEOPLE READ MORE INTO THINGS.
JUST BEING VERY TRANSPARENT BUT ALSO BE REALISTIC.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SHARED WITH THOSE PREVIOUS SLIDES WE'RE NOT GETTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
>> I THINK THIS IS REALLY THOROUGH AND I FEEL LIKE THE FORMAT THAT YOU GUYS USED FOR THE BOND LAST YEAR WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE AND IT BROUGHT A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY ALONG ON THE JOURNEY WITH US.
WE KEEP GOING BACK TO IF THE PROCESS IS WORKING AND WE'RE GETTING ENGAGEMENT, THEN WHY WOULD WE REINVENT THE WHEEL? I THINK IT'S REALLY SMART TO THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING WELL, THAT OUR COMMUNITY RESPONDS TO WE SHOULD DOUBLE DOWN ON.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT. ANGELA.
>> YEAH. THE PILLAR OF COLLECTIVE ENGAGEMENT.
THIS IS A SITUATION THAT WE'RE ALL IN, SO LET'S GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT INTO HOW THIS COULD GO.
ULTIMATELY, IT FALLS ON PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TO FIGURE IT OUT.
BUT WE NEED TO NEED AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN GET FROM THOSE WHO ARE INVESTED IN IT EVERY DAY.
I SOMETIMES FORGET THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE SPEND IN THE CLASSROOM OR LIKE IN SCHOOLS.
LIKE YOUR CHILDREN THINK ABOUT THEM.
BUT MY KIDS THINK ABOUT THEM WHEN THEY WAKE UP TO HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL.
THEY'RE THERE ALL DAY AND THEN I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING THERE ALL DAY? THEN THEY COME HOME. WHAT DO I HEAR? JUST ALL THE STORIES THAT HAPPENS AT SCHOOL, AND THEN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE NEXT DAY.
EVERYBODY'S INVESTED IN THIS AND WE ALL COLLECTIVELY WORK TO MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE, BE VERY GOOD TO HEAR, AND THIS IS A GOOD STRATEGY TO GET THAT DONE.
>> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT GETTING INPUT?
>> I MEAN, THAT'S HOW IT THUMBS UP.
>> WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE THIS INTERACTIVE AND YOU ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THIS ALONG THE WAY, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY LANDED ON VERY CLEAR GUIDELINES AND DIRECTIVES.
ONE THING THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IS, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF A RANGE THAT YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE TO US? WE KNOW A TARGET TO WORK TOWARDS THIS SCHOOL YEAR AS FAR AS A REDUCTION OF THE BUDGET OR WORKING THROUGH REDUCING OUR BUDGET CHALLENGES.
NOT ONLY FOR 24, 25, BUT EVEN 25, 26.
WE ALSO WANT TO BEGIN HAVING SOME GENERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT COMPENSATION FOR STAFF.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT'S Y'ALL'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
IT CERTAINLY IS A PRIORITY OF OURS TOO.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING ALONGSIDE YOU ALL AS FAR AS YOUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT STAFF COMPENSATION.
AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE SALARY STUDY LAST YEAR THAT REALLY HELPED US SEE WHERE WE WERE IN REGARDS TO OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF WRAPPING UP THAT STIPEND STUDY AS WELL, WHICH IS THE SECOND COMPANION PIECE TO THAT WORK THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE THE APRIL 8 WORKSHOP, WHICH WON'T JUST BE BUDGET, THEY'LL BE SOME OTHER THINGS TOO.
THEY ARE MOST LIKELY, BUT WE WILL HAVE OUR DEMOGRAPHER BACK.
IF THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE, EITHER FROM THE DEMOGRAPHER OR SPECIFIC THINGS YOU
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WANT TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT ON THAT APRIL 8 WORKSHOP.WE WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
THEN ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU WILL HAVE.
>> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, WHICH IS THIS OKAY? SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE. THIS IS A LITTLE SCATTERSHOT.
I KNOW THAT PRE-K, FOR INSTANCE, IS HALF DAY IS FUNDED.
I AM CURIOUS WHAT THAT NUMBER IS THAT WE PAY.
HOW MUCH DOES PRE-K COST US FOR THAT UNFUNDED PIECE? I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO HAVE THAT HAVE EIGHT COURSES AVAILABLE EVERY DAY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH I LOVE, BY THE WAY, BUT I KNOW THAT COMES WITH A COST.
I NEED TO KNOW THAT. I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO THROW THIS UP TO THE BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING PROGRAM EVALUATIONS THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND MOVING FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO THROW THIS UP TO THE BOARD.
>> JUST FOR CLARITY SO THE FIRST ONE FOR PRE-K ARE THE DISTRICT'S PORTION SINCE THE STATE FUNDS ONLY HAVE.
>> I DON'T EVEN REALLY HAVE A GRASP OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
>> THEN THE SECOND ONE IS AT CHS9, NEW TECH AND COPPELL HIGH SCHOOL, THEY HAVE AN EIGHT PERIOD DAY.
WHAT IS THE COST OF HAVING [OVERLAPPING] THAT.
>> THREE HIGH SCHOOL SENTENCE?
>> WOULD YOU WANT THAT INCOME COMPARED TO LIKE A SEVEN PERIOD DAY?
>> RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO GRADUATE WITH 32 CREDITS.
HOW MANY DO YOU NEED TO GRADUATE? TWENTY-SIX SETS, SOMEWHERE IN THAT THAT RANGE.
PROGRAM EVALUATIONS AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER THING TO THROW UP TO THE GROUP.
I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT OPEN ENROLLMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE COMPLETELY EXPLORED AS FAR AS OPEN ENROLLMENT CAN GO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS MORE OF THAT OR WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF WE CONTINUED TO PUSH IN THE OPEN ENROLLMENT SPACE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A CLOSED DOOR ALL THE WAY.
I THINK THERE'S MORE ROOM THERE.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO OPEN THAT UP TO YOU GUYS.
THEN MY OTHER QUESTION THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS, I KNOW THAT OUR STAFF NUMBERS, I MEAN, OUR TEACHER RATIO, WE'VE ADDED MORE TEACHERS LATELY.
WHERE HAVE WE ADDED? WHERE HAS THAT PERCENTAGE REALLY BEEN FOCUSED? WITH OUR ADDING OF OUR STAFF.
NOT BEING VERY ARTICULATE THERE. BUT DO YOU GET THE.
>> THINK YOU NEED TO SAY MORE.
>> I THINK WE'VE INCREASED STAFF ABOUT 22%.
WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT PRE-K, IS THAT SPECIAL ED? WHERE IS THAT HAPPEN?
>> YOU'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TEACHER STUDENT RATIO.
SO TEACHERS, NOT ANYBODY ELSE.
>> ALTHOUGH IF IT HAS BEEN DLC'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE HAVE WE ADDED [OVERLAPPING].
WHILE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STAFF STUDENT RATIO, ON THE SIDE OF THE HAT, I WOULD BE CURIOUS, LIKE WHAT'S THE NUMBER? LIKE HOW MANY STUDENTS DO WE NEED TO COVER THE COST OF THE SALARY OF A TEACHER?
>> THAT'S A ROUGH NUMBER? YES. MAYBE 11. JUST DEPENDS.
>> I MEAN, ON THAT POINT THAT WE JUST MADE, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT INFLECTION POINT IS FOR OPEN ENROLLMENT.
LIKE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED OVER THE YEARS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OPEN SEATS TO COVER THE DEFICIT THAT WE HAVE.
BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE START GOING BACKWARDS IN THE STAFFING EQUATION? WE CAN ADD THIS MANY KIDS, BUT NOW WE'VE GOT TO START ADDING CLASSROOM TEACHERS IN THAT.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT PIECE.
THEN I THINK THE ANCILLARY SIDE OF THAT, THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE DON'T REALLY EVER TALK ABOUT TOO IS WITH OPEN ENROLLMENT.
DOES IT BRING ANY ADDITIONAL STRAIN TO OUR STAFF IN TERMS OF ARE WE SEEING INCREASED DISCIPLINE ISSUES? WHAT ARE THE OTHER COST ASSOCIATED WITH OPEN ENROLLMENT THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT?
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>> DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THESE OR ARE YOU GUYS JUST LOOKING TO US FOR A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE NEEDING TO DIG INTO?
>> I THINK IT'S MUCH CLARITY THAT YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE TO US IS MOST BENEFICIAL.
AS SOME OF THESE MIGHT REQUIRE SOME CONVERSATION, OTHERS MIGHT NEED TO BE JUST IS THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS REQUEST OR IS THIS COLLECTED FROM THE GROUP? WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? YOUR DEEPER DIVE INTO OPEN ENROLLMENT PIECES, EXPANSION OF WHAT YOU SAID TO JUST YOUR DISCUSSION ON THAT GIVES US CLARITY.
BUT AS MUCH AS YOU WANT CAN PROVIDE US CLARITY, THE BETTER OFF WE ALL ARE.
THEN ALSO TO JUST SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
AGAIN ON APRIL 8TH, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE ANSWERS TONIGHT, DANA NEW 10 FOR THE QUESTION THAT DAVID HAVE IT.
SOME OF IT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION.
BUT LIKE I SAID, AS MUCH CLARITY AS YOU ALL CAN PROVIDE TO US, THE BETTER OFF WE WILL ALL BE.
>> I LIKELY CAME WITH A LIST [LAUGHTER] AND SOME THOUGHTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO CHIME IN BEFORE I GO.
SOME THINGS THAT STUCK WITH ME FROM OUR LAST CONVERSATION AROUND THIS TABLE ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
I LIKE WHAT JOBBY SAID, LIKE AS A COMMUNITY, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
THIS IS NOT ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY MISMANAGED OR THAT WE DID TO OURSELVES.
IT'S JUST A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE INCIDENCES.
SOME THINGS THAT HAVE STUCK WITH ME SINCE LAST TIME IS PART OF OUR HISTORY.
PART OF OUR DNA IS BEING A DESTINATION DISTRICT.
ANTHONY'S SAYING, AS WE HAVE NATURAL ATTRITION, MAYBE DON'T REFILL SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS AND DON'T BREAK ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMMENT ABOUT DON'T BREAK ANYTHING HAS REALLY STUCK WITH ME.
I THINK WHEN I REFLECTED ON WHY IF WE AREN'T STRATEGIC AND CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE DO, WHERE THAT'S CONCERNED, WE COULD END UP WATERING DOWN REALLY GREAT THINGS THAT ARE PART OF WHY PEOPLE CAME TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THEN THOSE THINGS DIE A SLOW DEATH OR THEY'RE HARD TO RESURRECT.
THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT GOES WITH DON'T BREAK ANYTHING FOR ME IS WE ALSO RUN THE RISK OF CREATING OUR OWN DOWNWARD SPIRAL, WHICH IS NOT WHAT ANY OF US INTEND.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE SCARING OFF GREAT STAFF, GREAT FAMILIES, AND CREATE A SITUATION THAT'S WORSE, UNINTENTIONALLY, BUT DON'T BREAK ANYTHING, HAS JUST PLAYED IN MY HEAD OVER AND OVER AGAIN SINCE WE ALL LAST MET.
THE OTHER BIG THING THAT HAS BEEN IN MY HEAD, AND I'M GLAD DR. HUNT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, WE TALKED STAFF A YEAR AGO.
WE ALL DECIDED THAT STAFF WAS OUR NUMBER 1 PRIORITY AS A BOARD.
WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT EFFICIENCY AND EFFICIENCY IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S NOT THE BOARD'S NEVER SAID IT'S OUR NUMBER 1 THING.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET SO HYPER FOCUSED ON EFFICIENCY THAT WE FORGET THAT OR WE CHANGE OUR PRIORITIES.
BUT WE'VE NEVER SAID EFFICIENCY WAS NUMBER 1.
THAT LEADS ME TO MY LIST OF QUESTIONS OR THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF OUR CURRENT BUDGET.
THAT'S NOT SALARIES, BENEFITS, OR RECAPTURE BECAUSE TO ME IF STAFF IS NUMBER 1, THAT'S THE SANDBOX.
I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT FIRST AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO THERE.
>> I HAVE SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU.
>> FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALS.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NOW OR IF YOU WANT TO ACTUAL LIST.
OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON MY LIST IS I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR ELEMENTARY EMPLOYEE RETENTION RATE HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS IF WE ALL KEEP DANCING AROUND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE CAPACITY AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.
TALKING ABOUT IT ANECDOTALLY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICS THAT WE'RE LOSING, I DON'T KNOW, A 1/3 OF A SCHOOL'S WORTH OF TEACHERS A YEAR AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.
BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING THERE THAT IF WE DECIDED IT MADE SENSE AS A COMMUNITY TO DO SOMETHING AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.
I JUST WANT TO SENSE OF HOW ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DISPLACING PEOPLE? IS THERE NATURAL ATTRITION THAT HAPPENS? WHAT ARE THE WAYS THAT THAT POTENTIALLY PLAYS OUT IF THAT'S A ROAD WE GO DOWN, AND TO TALK ABOUT GOING DOWN ANY ROADS, THAT'S A PIECE OF INFORMATION I NEED MORE DATA ON.
THEN I ALSO WOULD LIKE JUST TO SEE HISTORICALLY THE PAST BEFORE COVID.
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SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 OF THE LAST BUDGETS.I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT DID THE BOARD APPROVE IN AUGUST? SO WHAT WAS THE APPROVED BUDGET.
THEN WHAT WAS OUR FINAL OUTCOME AGAINST THAT SAME BUDGET WITH THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE SAVED OR LOST? I KNOW THAT THEY WERE ALL PROBABLY DEFICIT BUDGET, BUT SO WHAT WAS THE PERCENT THAT WE ACTUALLY WENT IN THE HOLE OR SAVED NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE PERCENT AGAINST THE DEFICIT BUDGET THAT WAS PASSED.
>> WE HAVE NOT REALIZED A DEFICIT.
>> I KNOW, BUT WE'VE PASSED THOSE IN AUGUST.
THERE'S ALL THIS TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE PASSED, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE HISTORICALLY, WHAT'S BEEN THE REALITY AGAINST THOSE DEFICIT BUDGETS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED? I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT I THINK SEEING IT IN ONE PLACE OVER MORE THAN A FEW YEARS WOULD BE GREAT.
>> I THINK MORE THAN FIVE YEARS.
>> BASICALLY, THESE ARE THE SLIDES.
WE'VE SEEN ALWAYS EVERY PRESENTATION YOU WANT TO SEE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE THESE THINGS ALL TOGETHER IN ONE CONTEXT BECAUSE I FEEL THEY'RE SO INTERCONNECTED.
THEN I JUST HAD TWO OTHER THINGS ON MY LIST.
ONE IS FOR OUR ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES.
I'D LOVE TO SEE, WHAT'S THE RANGE OF OUR STUDENT ENROLLMENT? THEY'RE LIKE 89-94% EFFICIENCY OF ALL OF OUR ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES COMBINED.
I KNOW WE GET ONE NUMBER FROM ZONDA, BUT THEN WHEN WE DID THE WORK WITH THE CONSULTING COMPANY ON THE BOND LAST YEAR, LIKE, THEIR NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE, AGAIN, BACK TO BANDWIDTH AND RANGES.
BUT IF WE WERE USING ALL OF OUR CAMPUSES 89-94% EFFICIENTLY AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, WHAT WOULD THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE? THEN MY LAST THING IS, AND IT TIES A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT LEE IS SAYING ABOUT PROGRAMS, AS A BOARD MEMBER, I FEEL LIKE THIS BOARD SITTING AROUND THE TABLE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB NOT HAVING THEIR FINGERS IN THE WEEDS ON PROGRAMS. IF WE THINK THAT THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU GUYS HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE FIVE, OR EIGHT, OR 10 PROGRAMS THAT SHOULD BE EVALUATED.
THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WOULD BE: THE COST PER STUDENT, THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS BUT ALSO THE NUMBER AS A PERCENTAGE OF A CAMPUS ENROLLMENT, WHERE THAT PROGRAM IS? WHAT WAS THE START UP COST? IF THAT PROGRAM WENT AWAY, WHAT ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THOSE STUDENTS WOULD HAVE? I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GET RID OF ANY PROGRAMS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD FOR US TO SIT AROUND A TABLE AND TELL YOU GUYS WHAT WE THINK ISN'T WORKING THE BEST.
I FEEL LIKE OPERATING THE DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TRUST THE STAFF TO DO, AND MAYBE THAT'S ALSO FROM SOME COMMUNITY INPUT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GET RID OF ANY PROGRAMS, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, I WOULD, I THINK, A STARTER POINT FROM YOU GUYS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME DATA FOR ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL.
>> THAT WAS GREAT LIST. I'LL JUST ADD ON TO THE LAST PART FROM MY POINT OF VIEW WHEN IT COMES TO PROGRAMS. WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS, AND THIS CAME FROM OUR STRATEGIC COMMITTEE IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE IN-HOUSE BOARD MEETINGS THAT WE ARE DESTINATION DISTRICT AND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO BE SO.
OUR PROGRAMS IS WHAT MAKES US DESTINATION DISTRICT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.
SO WHERE WE WILL NEED MORE INPUT TO MAKE ANY DECISION IS WE'LL NEED SOME DATA ON WHAT PROGRAMS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN PROGRAMS WHICH HAVE INTANGIBLE EFFECTS.
I'VE BEEN A BAND PARENT, I'VE BEEN IB PARENT, AND BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS HAD SO MUCH EFFECT ON US.
IB BEING A GREAT EXAMPLE, NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO SO MANY KIDS OUT THERE, BUT WHAT'S THE EFFECT OF THAT IB PROGRAM WHEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE? THOSE ARE INTANGIBLES WE ARE NOT CALCULATING AT OUR GET WELL LEVEL BECAUSE IF THOSE KIDS ARE DOING BETTER IN ISD, WE CAN CALCULATE THAT.
WE KNOW THEY'RE DOING BETTER IN ISD.
BUT HOW MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THEY ARE WHEN THEY GO TO COLLEGE? WE CANNOT CALCULATE THAT.
THOSE ARE THE INSIGHTS I WOULD WANT. SAME THING WITH BAND.
IF IT COMES TO BAND, IT REALLY TOUGHEN UP THOSE KIDS WHEN THEY
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HAVE TO DO THAT MUCH OF BAND PRACTICE AND A LOT OF BACK PAINS.SO WHEN THEY HAVE TO STAY WITH THE BAND, BUT THEN THE SAME GROUP OF PARENTS HELP EACH OTHER TO DO BETTER IN ACADEMICS.
THESE ARE WHAT WE SAY IN [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN'T MEASURE THAT.
BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT INSIGHTS FROM YOU THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN VALUE TO THIS WHICH MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
BUT THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT MAKE US THE DESTINATION DISTRICT.
WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS JUST BASED ON DOLLARS, WHICH YOU ANSWERED IT BEAUTIFULLY, WHICH WE ALL HAVE SAID, IT HAS TO BE THAT WE DON'T GIVE UP OUR VALUES, ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST GO ROUND.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS FINANCIAL BATTLE WILL CONTINUE.
BUT AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THE PROGRAMS WHICH MAKES US THE DESTINATION DISTRICT, AND WHICH ARE THE PROGRAMS IN FUTURE WE SHOULD EVEN INVEST IN.
OBVIOUSLY, TAKING SOMETHING AWAY FROM SOME OTHER PROGRAM.
I'M A BIG FAN OF PROGRAMS, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF FACILITIES.
OF COURSE, IF WE CAN MAINTAIN THE FACILITY IS GREAT, BUT IF WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD FIRST COMPROMISE ON IS FACILITIES.
IF WE CAN GET MORE CERTAIN NUMBERS, AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, MAYBE LONGER THAN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU GAVE US SOME ROUGH NUMBERS ON THOSE, THIS IS HOW MUCH THIS FACILITY REQUIRES TO CONTINUE.
IF WE COULD GET THOSE MORE UPDATED NUMBERS SO WE COULD MAKE SOME DECISIONS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CUT FINANCIAL NUMBERS.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT ON THE COST OF SOME HIDDEN GEMS WE HAVE, WHICH YOU CAN'T MEASURE BY DOLLARS OR SCOPES.
>> I'M WITH YOU, LIKE THIS IS A TOUGH TIME AND A TOUGH CONVERSATION.
BUT MY DAD SAYS THAT I'M ALWAYS ABOUT CALCULATED RISK, AND IT'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DOUBLE DOWN ON OWN, WHAT WE ARE GREAT AT AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT IT AND PRESERVE IT, AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OTHER THINGS NEED TO FALL AWAY.
I'M WITH YOU ON PROGRAMS OVER FACILITIES.
>> I THINK THAT TIES INTO WHAT YOU SAID.
BOTH OF YOU GUYS, I'M HEARING WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? HOW DO WE PRESERVE WHAT WE'RE DOING? IF WE CAN'T DO IT IN ITS EXISTING FORM, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE?
>> WE CAN'T COMPROMISE WHO WE ARE AS A DISTRICT AND WHO WE HAVE BEEN.
>> ALL OF THESE NUMBERS POINTS ARE GREAT AND THIS IS ALL THINGS I NEED.
FOR ME I SEE THEM IN CONTEXT SO LIKE THIS IS THE PLAN THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AND THEN THIS IS THE PROS TO THAT, THIS IS THE CONS TO THAT AND ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE WITHIN THAT, IN ORDER TO MAKE EFFECTIVE DECISION, YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO GO THIS ROUTE OR YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GO.
THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY THEN YOU COULD DEBATE AND SWAP OUT BUT SO THESE ARE ALL POINTS THAT FIT INTO THE LARGER MASTER PLAN, PLAN A, PLAN B, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN WE KIND OF COMPILE THEM SO I'M A BIG FAN OF THAT BECAUSE I THINK OF THE UTILIZATION RATE OF OUR PROGRAMS AND PROBABLY THE KEY RIGHT, LIKE BECAUSE THAT WOULD TELL US HOW MUCH OUR KIDS ARE PARTICIPATING IN THOSE PROGRAMS, THAT'S PROBABLY THE NUMBER 1 THING THAT I WOULD CARE ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING THE POINTS ARE GREAT.
THERE'S JUST THE MORE DETAIL I CAN GET ABOUT YES THIS WAY OR NO THAT WAY AND THEN WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
>> AND TO WHAT YOU SAID TO JOB LIKE MY THOUGHT ABOUT THE PROGRAMS AND WHY I PUT IT HERE, LIKE WHAT WERE THE OTHER OPTIONS? THERE MIGHT BE A SMALL PROGRAM THAT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP BECAUSE THOSE KIDS DON'T HAVE ANOTHER LOGICAL PROGRAMMATIC OPTION.
TO ME, IT'S LIKE IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT SCALE, IT'S ALSO ABOUT DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO NOT DISPLACE KIDS AND NOT HAVE THEM HAVE A REASON TO ENGAGE WITH SCHOOL AND SOME THINGS ARE MORE EASILY SUBSTITUTED IN AND OUT FOR EACH OTHER THAN OTHERS AND SO THAT SPECIFICALLY IS PART OF WHY I HAD THAT ON MY LIST REGARDING PROGRAMS.
>> I MEAN, TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE POINTS HERE, LIKE THE DOLLAR RANGE, I THINK WE HAVE ALWAYS, I MEAN, I'LL PIVOT TO THAT ONE UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER POINTS.
I THINK WE SAID WE'D BE COMFORTABLE LIKE DIPPING INTO THE FUND BALANCE A LITTLE BIT WHILE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND GETTING THE FEEDBACK AND ALL BUT
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THEN WHAT LEVEL OF THAT WOULD WE BE COMFORTABLE WITH FOR THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT FIRST? I MEAN, MY THOUGHT IS I THINK FROM, DAN YOU BROUGHT UP SOME, SEMBLANCES OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.I THINK ME PERSONALLY BE COMFORTABLE WITH LITTLE YELLOW, BUT NOT SO MUCH IN INTO THE RED RIGHT AWAY FOR THIS NEXT COMING SCHOOL YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PUT THEM IN RESERVE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE OF THINGS THOSE THAT CONTROL OUR BOOKS, THEY COULD SLOW PLAY IT AFTER TOMORROW.
THEY COULD SLOW PLAY IT AND JUST SCUTTLE ALL THE SCHOOLS WHO KNOWS.
BUT WE'RE DIPPING INTO THE YELLOW RANGE PROBABLY MY COMFORT LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL [NOISE] I DON'T REMEMBER, I KIND OF TRUST ALL TO BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
>> I WISH WE HAD THE SLIDES FROM THE [OVERLAPPING] LAST POINT BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD TO ANSWER FIRST BULLET POINT WITHOUT THOSE NUMBERS BUT SPEAKING FROM MEMORY, WE CAN BUY THAT IF YOU HAVE THAT HAND IN VINE. I DON'T KNOW.
>> WHAT AN OPPORTUNITY [LAUGHTER]
>> I WILL SAY AS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THAT SET UP, KIND OF AS AN OFFSHOOT FROM OUR STRATEGIC DESIGN, STRATEGIC PLANNING WORK, AND THEN JUST OUR OWN MOTIVATION Y'ALL KNOW WE HAVE THOSE JOINT CITY MEETINGS WITH THE CITY OF COPPELL.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
WE'RE ADDING OUR FIRST ONE WITH CITY OF IRVING THIS YEAR.
THIS MONTH WE STARTED TWO YEARS AGO DOING THE STAFF MEETING BECAUSE WE FOUND THERE WAS SO MUCH THERE WAS A LOT OF NEW FACES THAT WE HAD AND JUST CROSSOVER WITH THE CITY OF COPPELL BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE BULK OF OUR CAMPUSES ARE AND THERE'S SO MUCH JOINT USE AND ALL OF THAT SO WE HAVE MET TWICE.
WE MET AGAIN JUST RECENTLY THAT'S WHERE THE OPEN ENROLLMENT OF CITY STAFF MEMBERS TO BRING THEIR KIDS CAME FROM SEVERAL GREAT IDEAS, SEVERAL OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS SERVED ON OUR STRATEGIC PLAN COMMITTEE OR AS AN ACTION TEAM BUT ONE THING THAT WE DID WITH THEM IS SOME PROBLEM STATEMENTS AND ONE IS, HOW DO WE KEEP BEING A DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEM BEING A DESTINATION COMMUNITY OF COPPELL KNOWING THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS OF CISD, IRVING VALLEY RANCH, ANYBODY FROM OPEN ENROLLMENT.
BUT BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE DECLINE IN OUR NORTHERN SCHOOLS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD AN IMPETUS BEHIND MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.
IT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING OF FIRST SET OF MEETINGS, BUT IT WAS REALLY GREAT AND IT WAS A GOOD WAY FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY BECAUSE THEY SEE THE PARTNERSHIP AND UNDERSTAND THE BENEFIT OF THAT TOO.
THEY GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO [LAUGHTER] GO OVER THAT.
>> IT'S LIKE YOU'VE DONE THAT BEFORE
>> BUT I WAS REAL PROUD OF THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, BUT IT WAS A REALLY GREAT MEETING AND AGAIN, JUST SOME OF THEIR MARKETING, WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING AS FAR AS CITY FOR A LIFETIME, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING IN SO JUST REALLY KIND OF TALKING THROUGH THAT MESSAGING, BUT IT WAS REALLY GOOD. SO THESE ARE THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE [OVERLAPPING].
>> SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, NUMBER 1 IS I WOULD WANT INPUT FROM YOU AS A STARTING POINT.
THERE COULD BE A SCENARIO E THESE DISCUSSIONS, I JUST STARTING.
FOR SCENARIO C AND D IF WE HAVE TO ACHIEVE THESE SCENARIOS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAD PRESENTED, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY, WHAT'S THE HEALTHIER WAY OF REACHING THERE BECAUSE WE KNOW MAJORITY OF THE COMPENSATION GOES TO MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET AS COMPENSATION.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACILITIES, YES, THAT'S MORE FAVORABLE BUT ELIMINATING FACILITIES NEEDS MUCH LONGER LEAD TIME, IT'S VERY HARD TO DO WE JUST SIX MONTHS NOTICE, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS PROMISED TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH LEAD TIME SO THEY CAN MAKE ACCORDING PLANS.
CONSIDERING THOSE TWO FACTORS WE WOULD WANT SOME INSIGHT FROM YOU IS KEEPING SCENARIO C AND D AS GOALS.
WHAT SHOULD COME FIRST AND THEN WHAT TIME FRAME? BUT THESE ARE THE SCENARIOS THAT APPEAL MOST TO US AND ONCE WE GET THOSE DETAILS,
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THEN WE CAN GET INTO A CD OR A COMBINATION OF CD, WE BECOME CNF WE CAN GET INTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS.>> CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT BEFORE YOU ANSWER SO THIS CHART THAT YOU'VE DONE ON ACTUAL EXPENDITURES FOR 2022 I DIDN'T BRING MY GLASS.
AWESOME. IT SAYS IT'S $107 MILLION BASICALLY OF PAYROLL.
SO OUR ANNUAL ATTRITION THAT WE HAVE, TYPICALLY, HOW MUCH MONEY IS THAT JUST WITH OUR REGULAR TYPICAL ATTRITION.
>> I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT ATTRITION IS NOT THE ANSWER I REMEMBER ATTRITION IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE SOME ATTRITION WE HAVE TO FILL BACK FOR THE PROGRAM AND WE CAN'T CONTROL IF THERE'S A SET OF TEACHERS LEAVING MORE FROM ONE SCHOOL WE CAN'T JUST [OVERLAPPING] ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A LOW HANGING FRUIT, IS NOT THE WAY FROM WHAT I REMEMBER AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING FOR THE INPUT THAT WE CAN'T LOOK AT IT, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, HEY, THERE'S ITERATION, JUST DON'T FILL THOSE POSITIONS SO IT HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE WEEDS AND THAT'S THE INPUT I WAS [OVERLAPPING]
>> AS FAR AS OUR CONTRACTED SERVICE GOES, DO WE HAVE THE CONTRACTUAL ABILITY TO PAUSE RATE INCREASES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF ON A INTERIM BASIS?
>> SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CONTRACTED SERVICES FROM LAST YEAR, SO ABOUT 13.6 MILLION, FIVE MILLION OF THAT WAS TRANSPORTATION, 3.7 MILLION OF THAT WAS CUSTODIAL AND 2.1 MILLION WAS UTILITIES SO REALLY, ONLY 2.8 MILLION OF THE CONTRACTED SERVICES ARE NOT EITHER UTILITIES OR CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE.
THOSE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE HAVE BUILT IN INCREASES FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER BREAK THE CONTRACT OR REBUILD THOSE OUT IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> LET ME ASK, SINCE SOME OF THE UTILITIES WHICH IS RELATED TO FACILITIES, SOME OF THE CUSTODIAL IS RELATED TO FACILITIES, ARE THERE ANY PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF ONE OF THE FACILITY IS NOT IN USE THEN THOSE CONTRACT VALUE GOES DOWN?
>> YES, WE HAVE THOSE CONTRACTS THAT ARE DONE BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> CUSTODIAL IS DONE BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
TRANSPORTATION YES, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A FACILITY THAT WE NEEDED TO TRANSPORT CHILDREN TOO THEN.
>> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MENSA'S QUESTION DOES LIKE PROBABLY THE 26, 27, IS THAT INCLUDING ANY INCREASED SQUARE FOOTAGE FROM THE PROJECTS WE'RE ABOUT TO START? SO NONE OF THAT EXTRA.
>> AT THE SCENARIOS WHEN IT SAYS REDUCTION OF PAYROLL FIVE MILLION FOR THREE YEARS, IS THAT FIVE MILLION EACH TIMES THREE?
>> SO 50 MILLION AND THEN 2*3 IS 6 MILLION.
>> PREVIOUS STANDS FOR ELEMENT, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
>> THEY'RE BOTH VERY AGGRESSIVE SCENARIOS AND WHEN YOU ASK HOW IS THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT IT, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT HOW DO WE START REDUCING PAYROLL.
WE'VE ALREADY DECIDED THAT THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE RESIGNED AND WE'RE NOT REPLACING SO THOSE KINDS OF ACTIONS ARE ALREADY BEING TAKEN.
IT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO REDUCE PAYROLL BY FIVE MILLION FOR THREE YEARS WITHOUT MAKING SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
BUT REMEMBERING THAT PAYROLL IS PERPETUAL.
WHEN YOU GIVE A SALARY INCREASE AND THE NEXT YEAR YOU GIVE ANOTHER SALARY INCREASE, YOU'RE MULTIPLYING [OVERLAPPING] AND IT IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY.
BY REDUCING OUR OVERALL PAYROLL, WE CAN MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS IN THE BUDGET.
ALSO REMEMBERING THAT AS WE SEE THAT THERE'S ENROLLMENT THAT IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE GOING DOWN, THERE WILL BE SOME POSITIONS THAT WE WON'T NEED.
THERE MAY BE SOME TEACHING POSITIONS WE DON'T NEED BECAUSE WE
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DON'T HAVE STUDENTS THERE TO DO THAT.WE ANTICIPATE THAT WE MAY SEE SOME OF THAT AS WELL, BUT I THINK IT IS BETTER TO TAKE THE SLOW AND STEADY REDUCTION OF PAYROLL RATHER THAN GETTING OURSELVES INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY SEVERE CUTS.
>> AND WHICH IS WHERE WE ALL LEANING MORE TOWARDS.
>> AND NONE OF THIS INVOLVED EVADER, IF MEMORY SERVES, CORRECT?
>> NO. IT DID INCLUDE A 3% COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
3% COST OF LIVING INCREASE IS JUST ADDING FOR EVERY 3% WE'RE GIVING, THAT'S 3 MILLION WE'RE ADDING, WHICH WE ARE NOW HAVING TO TRY TO REDUCE LATER.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IF YOU HAD NO COST OF LIVING INCREASE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO REDUCE PAYROLL BY FIVE MILLION EACH YEAR BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ADDING THREE MILLION TO PAYROLL EACH YEAR.
>> YEAH. I DON'T WANT US TO BE BLOCKED DOWN TO ALL OF THESE FOUR BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE AN E AND F.
>> WE JUST HAD SOME STARTING POINTS BECAUSE I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THIS GROUP DOES BETTER WHEN THERE'S A STARTING POINT, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANT YOUR INPUT.
WE CERTAINLY WANT INPUT FROM COMMUNITY AS WE HAVE THAT PIECE.
BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING, OR AT LEAST IF WE DON'T HAVE OUR CURRENT MARCHING ORDERS, THEN WE'RE JUST DOING WHAT WE BELIEVE IS RIGHT IN LINE WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU ALL WITH PRIORITIES AND WHATNOT FOR '24, '25.
WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A NUMBER.
DO YOUR BEST TO GET IN THIS RANGE AS WE REALLY GEAR UP FOR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, '25, '26.
BECAUSE THE MORE WE CAN DO NOW, IS JUST THE LESS WE HAVE TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S ALL HARD AND IT'S ALL PAINFUL AND IT'S ALL TOUGH, BUT WE COULD ALSO START SOME OF THAT, SO IT WON'T BE AS HARD AND AS TOUGH.
IT STILL WILL HAVE CHALLENGES BUT.
>> MY ONLY, I GUESS, HESITATION ABOUT PROVIDING A NUMBER IS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER, LIKE THE EVADERS AND REVENUE OPPORTUNITY.
THERE IS THE SECOND LINE ITEM WHICH WE SHOULD PROBABLY VISIT IN TERMS OF IF IT'S A 3% COST OF LIVING INCREASE, NOBODY WANTS TO SAY THAT.
I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF MESSING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU'RE FACING THE RED THAT YOU'RE FACING IN THE SEA, YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST LIKE HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IS THE 3% TOO MUCH AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE THOSE TWO THINGS ALSO FOLD INTO THE NUMBER.
IF YOU GIVE ME A NUMBER AND YOU'RE WORKING WITH THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO EXPENSE MY PERSONAL OPINION, EVADER WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.
IT'S THE PROMISE THAT WE MADE A WHILE AGO, BUT I WILL TRY EVERYTHING THAT I CAN.
WE'LL TRY EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BRING AS MUCH REVENUE AS WE CAN AS WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANYBODY'S POSITIONS OR CHANGE THE DISTRICT IN A WAY THAT COULD BE RISKY.
BUT THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT SECOND BULLET TO SEE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD ENTERTAIN AS A LOWER COST OF LIVING INCREASE.
>> I'LL SAY, I THINK DANNY, YOU IN WHAT YOU SAID JUST A SECOND AGO, RIGHT ALONG WHERE I'M THINKING OR SOME QUESTIONS I HAD AND YOU TO YOUR POINT, JOEY, I DON'T LIKE SAYING A NUMBER BECAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE WE'RE ETCHED IN STONE AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE.
AGAIN, FROM THE CONVERSATION LAST TIME AND LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN, TO ME MY OPINION D IS I WANT TO SAY LIKE THE SCENARIO TO MODEL AFTER, NOT NECESSARILY THAT WE'RE STUCK TO SAY WE GOT TO REDUCE FIVE MILLION, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS THAT WE CAN GET THERE.
DO WE LOOK AT A DIFFERENT COST OF LIVING, ADJUSTMENT? DO WE LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT OF MAYBE A BONUS VERSUS AN M ONE TIME? YES, THAT DOESN'T COMPOUND INTO THE FUTURE THAT HELPS US MOVE THOSE PUZZLE PIECES AROUND TO GET TO SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT WE NEED IN THE PROJECTED SAVINGS.
BUT I'M REALLY HESITANT TO THROW A NUMBER OUT, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT REDUCED BY TWO DOLLARS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO PIGEONHOLE YOU GUYS AND THINKING, OKAY, NOW WE GOT TO GET TO THIS NUMBER.
BUT WHAT ARE WE WORKING TOWARDS? FOR ME, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU GUYS, D IS WHAT WE'RE MODELING AND WORKING TOWARDS NOW.
DOES FIVE MILLION MEAN IT'S THREE MILLION THIS YEAR?
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>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. JUST EVEN A RANGE?
>> BECAUSE D GIVES US A NUMBER.
>> PEOPLE ARE SAYING, HEY, LOOK AT D, THERE'S A NUMBER UP THERE.
>> BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS FOR A STAFF TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON SOMETHING AND THEN WE BRING IT TO YOU ALL AND YOU'RE LIKE, THIS IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE WERE WANTING.
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THIS IS HARD, THIS IS MESSY IN ALL OF IT, BUT SOME OF THOSE PREEMPTIVE THINGS THAT WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING, I'VE GOT SOME CONCERN FROM PEOPLE ABOUT I.E WAIVERS.
IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING WITH EFFICIENCY, WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MORE WAIVERS.
WE MAY NOT ALL LIKE THAT, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO EXPECT IS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
WE DON'T EVEN NEED THOSE TWO WAIVERS ANYMORE BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE HAVE OUR CHILDREN HAVE IT.
>> WE LOST SOME REVENUE, [LAUGHTER].
>> BUT I ALSO KNOW HOW THAT BRINGS CONCERN AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T STILL HAVE CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANT US TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
ANY KIND OF REZONING IS MAJOR EVEN IF THERE'S A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY MINOR TWEAKS TO REZONING, BUT IN TALKING WITH THE PRINCIPAL RICHARD J. LEE.
I THINK IT ENDED UP BEING 37 FAMILIES WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE BECAUSE ALL 68, SOME OF THOSE ARE, I'VE ALREADY BOUGHT A HOUSE THERE, NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOREVER.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO MULTIPLE FAMILY HOMES, RESIDENCES, UNTIL THEIR OTHER HOUSE IS BEING BUILT.
THAT'S WHERE I JUST DON'T WANT US TO DO A BUNCH OF THINGS AND THEN PEOPLE WILL BE LIKE, OH, WELL, WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? A RANGE IS HELPFUL TO US.
I GET THE HESITATION ABOUT NOT WANTING TO LOCK US DOWN, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN A ON YOUR WORK, BRAD.
IF YOU DON'T GET TO THAT AMOUNT, I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED SOMETHING TO WORK TOWARDS, OR WE'RE JUST ALWAYS KIND OF KICKING THE CAN AND JUST TALKING ABOUT THINGS AND NOT REALLY HAVING A FOCUS.
>> WELL, HERE'S THE ONE THING I THINK I'VE HEARD CONSISTENTLY IS WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS THIS FOR A BIT, SO THERE'S NO REASON TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO START DOING THINGS FOR THE UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR VERSUS C IS LIKE TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, LIKE THE 26, 27 BEFORE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S A CONSISTENT THING I'VE HEARD FOR SURE, IS THAT WE NEED TO START MAKING THESE CHANGES NOW.
>> NOT WAITING ANOTHER YEAR AS WE TRY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
>> I THINK FOR ME, ONE OF MY HESITANCIES ABOUT THE SCENARIOS IS I'M ACTUALLY OKAY NAMING A RANGE.
I DO THINK WE SHOULD START ON IT IMMEDIATELY TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU GUYS IT SHOULD BE FIVE MILLION DOLLARS IN PAYROLL, LIKE THE LINE ITEMS UP THERE.
I MAY NOT HAVE THE INSIGHT OR THE KNOWLEDGE TO TELL YOU THAT A MILLION OF THAT IT SHOULD BE COST OF LIVING.
THE LINE ITEMS GIVE ME SOME HESITATION AND ONE OF MY WORRIES ON THE PAYROLL SIDE OF THINGS, AND I KNOW IT'S OUR BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY FROM A LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ALREADY FEELING OVERTAXED, OVERWORKED, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE US LIKE JUST DECIDE TO REMOVE AN ENTIRE CATEGORY OF TYPE OF EMPLOYEE BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT NUMBER TO HELP GET US THERE.
I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PUZZLE PIECES AND TETRIS OF FIGURING OUT THE PAYROLL PART OF IT, BUT THE LINE ITEMS, EXCEPT FOR OUR INPUT ON THE COST OF LIVING IS HONESTLY THE PART THAT GIVES ME THE MOST POSITIVE.
>> YEAH. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PRIORITIES ON THIS ONE, BUT WE'RE STICKING WITH THE PRIORITIES.
THE PRIORITIES ARE RETENTION OF STAFF AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS ABOUT THOSE SUPPORT POSITIONS.
BY NO MEANS ARE WE SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING ENTIRE DEPARTMENTS, BUT WE ARE MAKING REDUCTIONS WHERE WE CAN.
EVEN THOUGH MORE THAN 80% OF OUR BUDGET IS PAYROLL, WE'RE LOOKING AT GENERAL OPERATING COSTS.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO GET THIS MUCH AS PAYROLL, THIS MUCH AS UTILITIES, ALL OF THAT.
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AS A STAFF IS JUST GETTING INPUT FROM OUR STAFF STAKEHOLDERS.
LOOKING AT OUR OUT OF STATE TRAVEL, OUR STAFF DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE'RE GOING FOR DIFFERENT CONFERENCES, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE MEMBERS OF.
WE'VE GONE OVER ITEM AFTER ITEM, JUST TIGHTENING OUR OWN BELT BUT THEY ARE NOT TO RELATED.
I AGREE WITH MR. BENTLEY'S ACCOUNT, BUT LET ME PUT THOSE THOUGHTS IN MY WORDS.
WE HAVE TO AS TIM HAVE TO COME UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR BRAD.
I DON'T THINK I PERSONALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING UP WITH THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
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I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT COST WE'RE REACHING THAT RANGE.I TOTALLY AGREE, IT'S NOT A NUMBER, IT'S A RANGE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO THE STAFF TO MAKE WISE DECISIONS BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE COST AS WE GET THE ANSWERS.
WE VALUE PROGRAMS OR FACILITIES.
OUR ORIGINAL GOALS HAVEN'T CHANGED, FOCUSES ON TEACHERS AND SPORTS STAFF FOR THE TEACHERS.
WE ALSO DON'T MIND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO BECOME MORE OF A DESTINATION DISTRICT.
REALITY IS THE WAY THE STATE POLITICS IS GOING.
THERE COULD BE REALLY HUGE CHALLENGES FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
WE WILL HAVE TO AS PUBLIC EDUCATION STAND OUT, OUR COMPETITION WILL BECOME A LOT MORE SIMPLE.
BEING DESTINATION DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY CRITICAL FOR OUR SURVIVAL 10 YEARS FROM TODAY.
THIS IS NOT A ONE OR TWO-YEAR THING.
MEANS, IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE THE LEGACY OF COPPELL ISD 10 YEARS FROM TODAY, WE HAVE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON BEING A DESTINATION DISTRICT, AND THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN THROUGH OUR EXCLUSIVE PROGRAMS WHICH ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE SAME HIGH QUALITY IN THE NEARBY DISTRICTS.
I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.
[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN STATE, THAT'S NOT THE TOPIC FOR RIGHT NOW.
WE KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES, BUT ONCE WE HAVE WHAT WE'RE GIVING UP AND WHAT TIME FRAME, BECAUSE ALL WE'RE SITTING HERE MAKING DECISIONS, BUT LITERALLY THE LIVES OF OUR COMMUNITY IS BEING AFFECTED BY THOSE DECISIONS.
>> WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.
WE HAVE TO SET A TIME LINE FOR THOSE DECISIONS TO BE IMPLEMENTED.
HOPEFULLY, ONCE YOU HAVE THOSE IN THE NEXT WORKSHOP, WE CAN GET INTO MORE TOUGHER CONVERSATIONS.
>> I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A NUMBER, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IT AS A BUDGET IMPACT NUMBER.
THAT COULD BE REVENUE INCREASE, EXPENSE DECREASE COMING TO THAT NUMBER.
I DON'T WANT TO TIE YOU TO THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THOSE ARE EXAMPLES BASED ON THE 80-20 RULE OF PAYROLL VERSUS OTHER EXPENSES.
>> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS. I DEFINITELY SEE THIS THROUGH LINE OF DESTINATION DISTRICT, AND I DO, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DO A PEP RALLY.
WE'RE COPPELL ISD, PERIOD. ENOUGH SAID.
I'M LIKE, BRING SCHOOL CHOICE, BECAUSE I HAD A CHOICE WHEN I CHOSE A SCHOOL AND I CHOSE COPPELL ISD, PERIOD.
I THINK THAT'S THE BEST CHOICE IN THIS STATE. I'M NOT AFRAID OF THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT I AM LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRODUCT OR THE OUTCOME THAN I AM ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE USED TO GET THERE, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO WHEN IT'S HARD FOR US TO GIVE A NUMBER.
WHATEVER THAT PRODUCT IS, AS LONG AS I KNOW THE PROCESS THAT WE USED TO GET THERE IS SOUND, THEN I CAN RELY ON THE PRODUCT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S AN OVERARCHING IDEA.
WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS NEED TO HAVE FOR ME? NUMBER 1, I NEED CHOICES.
I NEED A MENU OF CHOICES, AND I THINK OUR COMMUNITY DOES TOO, AT EVERY STEP OF THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHY, DR. HUNT, TO YOUR POINT, WE DO BETTER WHEN WE HAVE CHOICES.
I WOULD LOVE, AT EVERY DECISION INFLECTION POINT, THERE'S AT LEAST THREE OPTIONS.
NOT JUST BECAUSE I LOVE THREE, BUT BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, OKAY, NUMBER 1 CHOICES.
NUMBER 2, I NEED TO SEE THE CRITICAL ANALYSIS THAT WENT INTO WHATEVER THOSE CHOICES ARE.
I WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS AS A STAFF AND SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, OUT OF 1, 2, 3, WE RECOMMEND THREE.
I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. I WANT TO SEE THE WORK.
SHOW YOUR WORK. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT DECISION MAKING AND ANALYSIS CAME FROM.
NUMBER 3, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS IS VETTED THROUGH OUR CORE VALUES.
TO YOUR POINT, OUR CORE VALUES IN OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, THAT'S THE LENS THAT WE'RE VIEWING ALL OF THIS FOR.
THEN FOUR, I'M GOING TO SAY IT, IF WE HAVE MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
IF ALL OF THOSE FOUR THINGS HAPPEN, DECISIONS, CRITICAL ANALYSIS, MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, AND IT'S VETTED THROUGH OUR CORE VALUES, THAT'S A PROCESS THAT I'LL BE HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, NO MATTER WHAT.
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THAT IS HOW I WOULD GET TO A NUMBER AS IF THOSE FOUR THINGS HAPPEN.THESE ARE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS THAT I GOT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU.
I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT WHY WE ARE HERE.
SOME HISTORIC DATA, SOME CONTEXT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY AND HOW RIGHT NOW.
THESE ARE SOME GREAT QUESTIONS, AND I THINK IT WILL HELP ME A GREAT DEAL TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
I 100% AGREE WILLFULLY THAT I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SENSE OF THE PROCESS FOR MYSELF, THEN I'M READY TO UNDERSTAND THE PRODUCT.
>> I THINK YOU SUMMED IT UP PERFECTLY, LEON, AND ESPECIALLY THE CHOICES AND FOR ME TO GET TO ARRANGE FOR YOU GUYS.
WE KEEP SAYING D, SO I'LL JUST STICK WITH THAT, BECAUSE I LIKE GREEN MORE THAN I LIKE RED OR YELLOW.
IF YOU SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT IT TAKES TO ACCOMPLISH THIS, NOW HERE'S THE ALTERNATIVE.
WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN THIS FLOW OR THIS MODEL AND DO IT THIS WAY.
I THINK, FOR ME, THAT THAT MAKES ME BEING ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION A LOT EASIER, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE THE MORE IN-DEPTH NUMBERS AND DETAIL AND KNOWLEDGE THAN WHAT WE HAVE, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE PUZZLE PIECES GO AND WHERE THE CHEST PIECES MOVE.
IF YOU DO THIS, HERE'S EVERYTHING ELSE IT CREATES.
HERE'S HOW WE HAVE TO MAKE IT FIT INTO PLACE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT SUMMED UP A LOT OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK.
>> DID WE COVER ALL THE POINTS?
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, SO DID THAT COVER THE FIRST BULLET THERE THAT YOU NEEDED, OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THAT SLIDE?
THOSE SCENARIOS HAVE VARIOUS OPTIONS.
PRESIDENT CABINETS HAD MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS TOO.
IT'S STILL EARLY IN THAT PROCESS.
I KNOW YOU ALSO LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE POSSIBLY DOING.
WE CHECKED TODAY, NOT MANY PEOPLE HAVE COMMUNICATED THAT OUT YET.
OUR PLAN IS TO STILL HAVE OUR JOB FAIR ON APRIL THE SIXTH.
BEYOND NEXT SCHOOL YEAR WE WILL REEVALUATE BECAUSE THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
BUT WE CERTAINLY WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH THAT PROCESS AS WE ALREADY HAD PLANNED.
WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP COMMUNICATE WHAT OUR STARTING SALARY IDEA COULD BE, OR AT LEAST A RANGE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER UPDATES ON THAT [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK YOU'VE COVERED THAT.
I THINK IT HELPS CREATE THOSE OPTIONS, AS DIANA BUILT THOSE BASED ON 3%, AND AS SHE SAID TONIGHT, ADJUSTING THAT HAS A POTENTIAL IMPACT.
AS WE ALL KNOW, OTHER DISTRICTS ARE HAVING THESE SAME CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S WHY, AT THIS POINT, NORMALLY WE KNOW THE SCENARIOS PEOPLE ARE RUNNING, BUT EVERYBODY'S HOLDING THAT MUCH CLOSER TO THE BEST, SO TO SPEAK, AS DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE WHAT DISTRICTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE OR WHAT THEY EVEN WANT TO PROVIDE.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR STAFF TO KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT AND THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, BECAUSE YOU HEAR ON THE NEWS AND IN OTHER CHANNELS THERE ARE DISTRICTS THAT ARE CONSIDERING A ZERO INCREASED A COMPENSATION FOR NEXT YEAR.
I THINK WHATEVER THE SCENARIO OR SCENARIOS YOU ASK US TO RUN, THE FACT THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF COST OF LIVING INCREASE IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO HEAR AS THEY'RE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR NEXT YEAR.
>> WHAT'S OUR DEAL? I KNOW WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AS SOON AS WE CAN, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF HIRING AND THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT JUNE IS WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE IT ADOPTED.
>> THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN YEARS PAST AND WE WOULD HAVE IN THIS YEAR,
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WHEN WE'RE HIRING INDIVIDUALS BEFORE A COMPENSATION PLAN IS ADOPTED, WE PROVIDE THEM WITH CURRENT YEAR DATA AND GUARANTEE THAT YOU WOULD EARN AT LEAST THIS BASED ON YOUR YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.AS DR. HUNT SHARED, TYPICALLY THOUGH, WE'VE SET WHAT THAT ZERO YEARS OR STARTING SALARY WOULD BE.
I AM COMFORTABLE, IN FACT, I RECOMMENDED TO THE CABINET TODAY THAT WE DON'T SET THAT YET BECAUSE I THINK WHERE WE LAND AS FAR AS A PERCENTAGE WILL DETERMINE THAT.
I DO THINK OUR ZERO YEAR OF 601150 RIGHT NOW CONTINUES TO BE COMPETITIVE.
BUT THEN WE TALK ABOUT AND PUT ON THE PAPERWORK, YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT THE BOARD APPROVES IN JUNE, AND THEN WE HAVE A PROCESS BY WHICH THE BUSINESS OFFICE THEN ROLLS THOSE SALARIES UP TO THAT NEW RATE.
WE CAN COMMUNICATE, BUT I THINK ALSO BEING ABLE TO SAY, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS SAY WE CAN'T PROMISE, BUT OUR BOARD IS HIGHLY CONSIDERING A COMPENSATION [NOISE] INCREASE.
SOMETIMES THAT'S ALL WE SAY IF WE FEEL MORE CONFIDENT THAT WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND 2%.
WE WANT TO GIVE ANY AND ALL INFORMATION THAT'S POSSIBLE WITHOUT MAKING PROMISES THAT WE CAN'T MAKE UNTIL YOU ALL MAKE A DECISION.
>> I CAN START WITH ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, [INAUDIBLE].
THIS YEAR WILL BE THE FIRST YEAR WE'LL BE TAKING DEFICIT FROM OUR SURPLUS AND WE HAVE A HEALTHY SURPLUS.
WE DON'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY, CONSIDERING ALL THE FACTS AND SOME OF THE TOUGH DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE.
AS WE SAID, WE ARE MORE GOING TOWARDS SCENARIO D. EVERY SCENARIO WE'RE CONSTRAINED, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, I'VE CONSIDERED WITH SOME FORM OF INCREASE.
IT'S IN MY MIND AS OF RIGHT NOW.
AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, THERE CAN'T BE ANY PROMISES BECAUSE IT'S A MOVING TARGET.
BUT RIGHT NOW, CONSIDERING THE RATE OF INFLATION THAT HAS BEEN SINCE 2019 AND WHAT WE KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR 4% AND 3% IS STILL SO FAR BEHIND STAFFS COMPENSATION, SO FAR BEHIND FROM WHERE THE WHOLE STANDARD OF LIVING HAS MOVED IN LAST FOUR PLUS YEARS.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE, TO CONSIDER ANY SCENARIO WHERE WE WOULD BE PUTTING THE HARDSHIP ON OUR STAFF FIRST BEFORE TAKING IT ONTO OURSELVES OF MAKING SOME HARD DECISIONS.
MAKING SOME CUTS IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE ANY SCENARIO WHERE THERE IS NOT A, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, SOME NUMBER OF INCREMENT FOR THE STAFF.
>> 0% IS PRETTY MUCH NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME IN THIS.
>> YEAH, THAT GIVES US CLARITY AND LOOK, IT WAS A NUMBER SO [LAUGHTER] WE CAN ALSO DO TO YOUR REQUEST OF CHOICES, LOOK AT SOME SCENARIOS.
MY ASSUMPTION IS NO MORE THAN THREE EVERY 3% EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAD THAT AS A BACKS.
I KNOW WE'VE DONE OTHER THAT WAS HIGHER AS MISS MICHAEL SAID.
MOST PEOPLE OTHER DISTRICTS ARE TALKING, BUT THAT'S ALL IT IS IS JUST TALKING.
SOME ARE LOOKING AT NOT GIVING A RAISE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY THAT'S DOING ANYTHING OVER THREE OR FOUR, I THINK THOSE DAYS HAVE YOU CAN RUN THEIR COURSE AT LEAST FOR NOW.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND EVEN POSSIBLY BRING THAT APRIL THE EIGHTH.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE CAN WE CAN HAVE A BROAD DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT WE WON'T HAVE A PAYROLL PROJECTION YET.
WE DON'T RUN THAT UNTIL THE MAY.
>> MAY WILL BE THE FIRST [OVERLAPPING].
>> SOME BROAD TO HELP US NARROW AND THEN LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO HAVE THAT IN MAY.
>> I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE KIND OF WHAT PRESIDENT CABINET SAID ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THAT CAN BE CONVERTED TO A BONUS VERSUS A SALARY INCREASE TO HELP WITH THE OFFSET FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT THROW THAT IN, THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO.
>> WOULD THE NEW EMPLOYEES BE ELIGIBLE FOR A BONUS IS THAT WRITTEN IN THE CONTRACT?
>> WE DON'T USE THE WORD BONUS.
[LAUGHTER] WE DON'T USE THAT, BUT A ONE TIME PAYMENT.
IT DEPENDS IN THE COMPENSATION PLAN.
>> BECAUSE I I WOULD WANT YOU GUYS TO HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AS A TOOL FOR NEW TEACHERS.
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SO HOWEVER YOU GUYS NEED TO ADJUST THE VERBIAGE IN THE CONTRACT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE JUST TO GIVE US OPTIONS ON WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION MIGHT LOOK LIKE.>> IT'S HELPFUL TO ME AS WE'RE WALKING ALONG THE TEACHER COMPENSATION TO TALK ABOUT THE TIA AND HOW THAT ROLL OUT IN THE CALENDAR AS WE'RE WALKING ALONG.
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IF THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES TO COMPENSATE EDUCATORS.
>> JUST A REMINDER, TIA IS THE TEACHER INCENTIVE ALLOTMENT, AND SO THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THE STATE DOES PROVIDE.
THERE'S CERTAIN BENCHMARKS AND THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF A CRITERIA THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED, AND WE'RE IN HERE FOUR AS REGARDS FLORATORY, WE'RE IN 00.
AS WE'VE BEEN EXPLORING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, [NOISE] BEEN GETTING READY TO LAUNCH THAT SO YES.
>> HOW DOES THAT LOOK IN OUR FIVE YEAR WHERE THAT MIGHT CAN BRIDGE SOME OF THESE THINGS TO.
>> WE ARE TWO YEARS AWAY FROM POTENTIAL PAYMENT IF WE STAY ON TRACK.
I'M LOOKING AT MISS KEMPER WHO'S.
>> BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO CLARIFY IS THE TEACHER INCENTIVE ALLOTMENT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR TEACHERS, CLASSROOM TEACHERS, TO EARN ADDITIONAL FUNDING BASED ON THEIR JOB PERFORMANCE AS A TEACHER IN GENERAL, TIED TO THEIR EVALUATION, BUT ALSO TIED TO STUDENT GROWTH.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER COMPENSATION IS PAID THROUGH THOSE DECISIONS BY YOU AS A BOARD EACH YEAR BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS ARE CALIBRATED AND TURNED IN AND AROUND THIS TIME EVERY YEAR, WE WOULD BE NOTIFIED OF THE TEACHERS THAT WERE RECEIVING THE TEACHER INCENTIVE ALLOTMENT, THE AMOUNT FOR THAT, AND THEN THAT BECOMES A ONE TIME PAYMENT IN THE JUNE PAYCHECK BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF TEACHERS, ROUGHLY FIVE OR SIX, THAT HAVE COME FROM OTHER DISTRICTS WITH THOSE DESIGNATIONS.
SO WE ARE RECEIVING MONEY FROM THE STATE BASED ON THOSE DESIGNATIONS.
WE'RE A PASS THROUGH OF THAT MONEY.
AGAIN, VERY SPECIFICALLY, YOU HAVE TO BE A CLASSROOM TEACHER WITH STUDENTS THAT YOU'RE TEACHING TO SHOW THAT GROWTH AS A PIECE OF THAT COMPONENT AND EVALUATED USING THE T TEST EVALUATION SYSTEM.
YES, I LOVE THAT YOU'RE HIGHLIGHTING IT.
IT DOESN'T COVER ALL EMPLOYEES.
AND IT WOULDN'T BE, INSTEAD OF TAKING OUT OF OUR BUDGET MONEY FOR THEIR BASE SALARY AND OR STIPENDS, IT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THAT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE HAVE STEPPED INTO IT.
MISS KEMPER, AS WELL AS NOW MISS DUKE, ARE CONTINUING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD WITH THE TEACHER INCENTIVE ALLOTMENT COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT FREE MONEY IN THE SENSE THAT TEACHERS ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN IT.
BUT FREE MONEY IN THE SENSE THAT IT DOESN'T FALL INTO ANY OTHER BUCKET THAT WE TALK ABOUT AS A BOARD AND AS STAFF MEMBERS.
>> ANOTHER PUZZLE PIECE, WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT IS AVAILABLE.
>> IS THAT YEARLY TIA, DO THEY GET THAT EVERY YEAR FOR CERTAIN YEARS?
>> ONCE YOU RECEIVE A DESIGNATION, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT DESIGNATIONS AND WE CAN FORWARD AGAIN.
THE PRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED, YOU HAVE THAT DESIGNATION FOR FIVE YEARS AND IT FOLLOWS YOU FROM DISTRICT TO DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THEN AFTER THAT, THERE'S A RE EVALUATION PROCESS FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL TO SECURE A DESIGNATION.
IF IT CONTINUES. I THINK WE'RE KIND OF HITTING THE FIVE YEAR MARK IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND RIGHT NOW THE MONEY CONTINUES TO BE THERE.
>> THAT IS ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AND PURSUE.
PARTICULARLY AS MISS MICHAEL SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES FROM OTHER DISTRICTS THAT HAVE IT.
AGAIN, NOT F, BUT WITH NUMBER ONE PRIORITY BEING RETENTION OF STAFF.
THOSE STAFF MEMBERS AFTER FIVE YEARS, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN AVAILABILITY TO JUMP ON HERE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THAT.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT PEOPLE FROM OTHER DISTRICTS THAT ARE RECEIVING THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT.
>> ARE THERE EXPECTATIONS EITHER SPECIFICALLY FROM BOB TEMPLETON, OUR DEMOGRAPHER, OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE APRIL 8 WORKSHOP?
>> FOR ME KNOWING, HAS HIS OPINION CHANGED ABOUT CYPRESS WATERS, HOW MANY STUDENTS WE'RE GETTING FROM CYPRESS WATERS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, FROM MY MEMORY.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MANY, BUT THOSE NUMBERS KEEP ON COMING, WE KEEP ON GETTING STUDENTS FROM CYPRESS WATERS.
IS THOSE NUMBERS MAYBE THEY'RE COMING EARLY ON BECAUSE THEY MADE TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM CONDOS FIRST AND LATER THEY'LL MAKE
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ONE BEDROOM AND WE WANT AS MANY NUMBERS, MAYBE THAT'S THE SCENARIO.BUT AN UPDATE ON WHAT TO EXPECT FROM CYPRESS WATERS BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG X FOR US.
>> THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S SHOWN THIS BEFORE BECAUSE I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT OFFHAND, BUT WHERE IT ESTIMATED BEFORE AND THEN VERSUS WHERE IT ACTUALLY WAS LATER.
SO BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A LARGE PART OF THE NUMBER WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS ON.
SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE OUR ESTIMATIONS HERE HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S RIGHT.
WE'RE MAKING A LOT OF DECISIONS BASED ON, ON, ON THAT.
SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
>> OTHER THAN THE TWO YEARS OF COVID, WE ALWAYS VERY CLOSE.
ONE YEAR THERE WERE MORE THAN EXPECTED.
THAT YEAR IT WAS MUCH LESS THAN EXPECTED.
WE WERE EXPECTING THE INFLOW BACK OF THE SUN, BUT TOOK ONE EXTRA YEAR.
BUT AFTER THAT ONE EXTRA YEAR, IT DID COME BACK TO THE NUMBER PROJECTED.
I THINK YOU ALWAYS PUT THAT COMPARISON.
THEY'VE SWITCHED FROM COMMERCIAL BACK TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH HAS BEEN PART OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF HE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL INSIGHT INTO ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY WERE PLANNING TO BE COMMERCIAL THAT IS NOW POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY I KEEP ON HAVING THAT FEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AN LOT MORE STUDENTS FROM CYPRESS WATERS BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THEIR RESIDENCES IN COPPER SD AND WE DON'T HAVE STUDENTS IN THOSE RESIDENCES JUST THEY FIND A WAY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE WOULD BE ONE BETTER APARTMENT, BUT THEY FIND A WAY OUR COMMUNITY TO BE PART OF COPPER ISD FAMILY.
>> WE MY HORIZON CONCERN IS THAT SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THEM THAT'S JUST ON THE SIDE OF 635 LIKE MY THAT'S MY FEAR RIGHT NOW.
KNOCK THEM DOWN AND FLIP A RESIDENTIAL TOWN.
>> WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE.
>> YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD [OVERLAPPING]
>> I THINK THAT MEETING WITH THE CITY OF IRVING IS GOING TO BE REAL CRUCIAL, [OVERLAPPING] THAT WAS TOSSED AROUND AS POSSIBLY BEING SOMETHING ELSE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CITY OF IRVING.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT SAME RECIPROCAL COMMUNICATION.
IT'S GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WHAT WE ALWAYS GET FOR THE CITY OF CAPEL.
SO AGAIN, I THINK HAVING THIS MEETING WITH THEM IS GOING TO BE A PLUS.
>> I KNOW YOU AND I HEARD EXACTLY SHE HAD TALKING BOARD BUDGET TOO AS PART OF THIS.
IN APRIL, SHOULD WE HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION AMONGST OURSELVES?
>> ONE OF THE THINGS DISTRICT WIDE THAT'S HAPPENED OBVIOUSLY IS BUDGET CUTS AND RESTRICTING JUST TEACHER TRAVEL, OR STAFF TRAVEL TO CONFERENCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK IT'S ONLY APPROPRIATE THAT WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL.
>> WHEN IT LOOKS AT OUR BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY OUR LARGEST EXPENSE IS THE 40 GRAND OR SO WE SPEND A YEAR FOR THE ELECTION.
THAT WOULDN'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT DALLAS COUNTY BILLS US FOR, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF IT'S A TOP DOWN APPROACH, SOMETHING WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT IN THAT DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK TOO OR NEXT MONTH TOO.
>> WHAT DIFFERENT KIND OF EXPENSES DO YOU WANT TO BRING IN THAT DISCUSSION AMIDST ALL THE CONFERENCES WE ATTEND?
>> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT, WE HAVE THE TWO A YEAR THAT WE ATTEND, ONE IS LOCAL, ONE LOCAL OPTION THIS YEAR, AND THEN TESS ATASBI IS OUT OF TOWN, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SLIS [OVERLAPPING].
I THINK JUST AN EXPECTATION ON WHAT OUR PLANS ARE, WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR DISTRICT REIMBURSEMENT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK WE'VE STOPPED OUT OF STATE TRAVEL FOR CONFERENCES.
IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S [OVERLAPPING].
>> IT'S HIGHLY RESTRICTED, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO FOR THE SAME STATEMENT ABOUT DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT.
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WE DON'T WANT TO SAY JUST BLANKET THERE'S NO OUT OF STATE TRAVEL, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS A ONE TIME OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROGRAM, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HONOR THAT, BUT WE ALSO ARE A SCHOOL DISTRICT WHERE WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IN HOW WE ARE OPERATING.NOT THAT WE WERE IRRESPONSIBLE, BUT JUST REALLY PUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR BUDGET CHALLENGES, AND SO THOSE NOW HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY OUR CABINET, WHICH IS OUR ASSISTANT SUPS, OUR CHIEFS, OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS, AND OUR TWO PRINCIPAL REPS. ANYTHING I MISSED ON THAT?
>> HOW WE DO THE SMALL THINGS IS HOW WE DO THE BIG THINGS, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK THE TALK, WE NEED TO WALK THE WALK.
I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT OUR OWN AND SEE IF WE CAN CUT WITHOUT COMPROMISING HOW WE GROW, AND HAVE A GROWTH MINDSET AND ALSO LEAN INTO OUR LEADERSHIP AND OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT.
>> BECAUSE AS THE TRUSTEES, WE GAIN A LOT FROM THE NETWORK OF FOR THE TRUSTEES, AND THAT NETWORK ONLY GETS CREATED IN THOSE CONFERENCES, BECAUSE MANY IDEAS WE GET IS BECAUSE SOME OTHER DISTRICT THOUGHT ABOUT SOMETHING.
WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP ON THE GROWTH PART, BUT ANYWHERE THERE COULD BE A CUT, WE SHOULD EVALUATE EVERYTHING.
>> WELL AND WE HAVE TRAINING REQUIREMENTS TOO.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD HAVE TO FIT THEIR OWN BILL ON THE TRAINING COSTS, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK GET SOME OF THE OPTIONAL THINGS [OVERLAPPING].
>> THERE ARE DISTRICTS WHICH DO NOT.
THEY EXPECT YOU TO GO TO A CONFERENCE, BUT THEY DON'T COVER EVERYTHING, AND THEN THERE ARE DISTRICTS WHICH HAVE THOSE RULES AND IN WHICH MOST OF THE TRUSTEES DON'T ATTEND ANY CONFERENCES, SO IT DOES LEAD TO THAT.
WE HAVE TO KEEP BOTH SIDES IN MIND THAT WE DON'T CREATE A CULTURE OF AS TRUSTEES MOVE ON, IT BECOMES A CULTURE OF THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO NETWORK WITH THE OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF BOTH SIDES.
>> WELL, I THINK ALSO TOO, THIS POINT ABOUT BEING A GROUP OF LIFELONG LEARNERS.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING SMART WITH THOSE FINANCES.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH A REGIONAL SERVICE CENTER AT EITHER A NOMINAL COST, OR IS ALREADY COVERED IN THE FEES THAT WE PAY.
HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO NETWORK WITH OR YOU ALL, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IN THE NORTH TEXAS ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL BOARDS AND THERE'S A FEE TO THAT, BUT IT'S NOMINAL, AND THEN IF PEOPLE GO TO THAT, THEY CAN ALSO GET THEIR TRAINING HOURS AS BEING IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THAT IF SOMEBODY DOES SIGN UP FOR SOMETHING AND THEY CAN'T GO, EITHER THEY FIND SOMEBODY THAT CAN GO ON THEIR REPLACEMENT, OR THEY REIMBURSE FOR THE COST OF THAT.
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL DOING TOO, IS JUST FINDING WAYS, AGAIN, BEYOND PERSONNEL, WHERE WE CAN MAKE SOME IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET.
>> WHAT ELSE? DO WE HAVE A TOPIC DOWN FOR NEXT TIME? YOU'RE USEFUL?
>> I THINK WE NEED SOME DIRECTION ON THE VATRE WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT US TO PURSUE THAT, BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT OR YOU WANT TO PURSUE THAT FOR 2024 NOVEMBER ELECTION, AND 2025 NOVEMBER ELECTION OR?
>> I KNOW THAT YOU ARE AWARE, BUT HAD COME A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT IF YOU'LL GO TO SLIDE 8 MAYBE JUST AS A RECAP, AS DIANA SAID, IF WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR NOVEMBER 2024, YOU'RE ALL WORTHY TO MAKE SOME DECISION AT THE APRIL BOARD MEETING.
THEN YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE TIMELINE THERE.
>> IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY WHETHER RIGHT NOW IS EFFICIENT USE OF OUR COMMUNITY'S TAX OR NOT WITHOUT SEEING THOSE NUMBERS, THE TWO NUMBERS I ASKED FOR, WHAT ARE THE ABSOLUTE NUMBERS HERE, TAX IMPLICATIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND WHAT'S THE NET NUMBER THAT'S GOING TO COME TO THE DISTRICT.
EVEN WITH DOING THAT FOR THIS YEAR, CONSTRAIN THE WHOLE POLITICS OF NOVEMBER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE DOING IT NEXT YEAR, BUT THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHT.
AFTER LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, IT MIGHT CHANGE.
>> THE NET NUMBER WOULD BE ABOUT $2.3 MILLION TO THE DISTRICT.
A $500,000 HOME WOULD SEE ABOUT $126 INCREASE WORSE CASE, BECAUSE THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME COMPRESSION AS VALUES GROW,
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AND IF VALUES GROW 8% IT WOULD BASICALLY BE OFFSET.THE PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT WHETHER A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR IS A GOOD THING, A BAD THING.
WELL THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, ACTUALLY THERE WERE A NUMBER OF VATRES THAT LOST THEIR LIVES.
THERE'S NOT REALLY A CORRELATION THAT THEY'RE TYING RIGHT NOW TO THOSE TWO THINGS.
>> I THINK BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LOCALIZED ELECTION, IT'S A COMMUNITY ELECTION, WHILE THERE MIGHT BE MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE VOTING, THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE ABLE TO GET THE WORD OUT SO THE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT VATRE IS.
>> I THINK IT'S JUST PUTS LOT MORE EFFORT ON THE STAFF AND FROM EVERY LEADER, AND WHEN I SAY LEADER, EVEN FUTURE PRESIDENTS FROM EVERY COMMUNITY LEADER, AND IT'S THAT MUCH SHORTER TIME, BUT YES, IT CAN GO BOTH WAYS, PROVIDED WE HAVE OUR ACTION PLAN NAILED DOWN.
>> I WOULD ECHO THAT APRIL SEEMS LIKE A PRESSURE COOKER, I DON'T REALLY LOVE THAT, BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING ONE BUT I THINK IF I WERE TO PICK, IT WOULD BE A YEAR FROM NOW.
WE DO THIS AGAIN, THAT KIND OF ON RAMP THING THAT WE TAKE IT A YEAR TO GET READY FOR IT.
YES TO THE ANSWER THAT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH INVESTIGATING IN A VERY REAL WAY, AND TWO, I DON'T THINK THIS APRIL IS.
I WOULD WANT TO DO IT FOR NOVEMBER 24, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COMPRESSION OF THE STAFF LOAD ON THE COMMUNITY. IT'S MY GUT.
>> I THINK IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND FOR US UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION OTHERWISE AND HAVE [OVERLAPPING].
>> LET'S FORGET DISTRICT, IF WE HAVE TO DO THE PRESSURE COOKER.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION OTHER WAY.
DO YOU THINK TWO BIG IFS, IF WE GO FOR IT AND BIGGER IF, IF VATRE GETS APPROVED BY OUR COMMUNITY THIS NOVEMBER, BOTH THINGS HAPPEN, DOES IT MAKE A VERY BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE OTHER NUMBERS WE JUST SUPPOSE TO GATHER FOR THE SCENARIO D, AND THE OTHER THINGS, IF YOU GUYS TELL US THAT IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR YOU, HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACHIEVE THAT, ANY SCENARIO D, E, OR SOMETHING FOR COST REDUCTION.
IT WOULD MAKE A HUGE SCENARIO WHETHER THIS IS APPROVED OR NOT.
THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND CONSIDER IT, BUT IF YOU TELL US NOW IT WILL BE TOUGH BUT WE CAN MANAGE IT FOR ONE YEAR, THEN FIRST THOUGHT WOULD BE, SINCE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AND NOT TO SPRING ANYTHING ON THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A HISTORY OF LETTING THESE THINGS BE KNOWN TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S A TAX IMPLICATION FOR THEM, AND THIS WILL BE A VERY SHORT NOTICE EVEN FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE WOULD LIKE TO AVOID IT IN THAT SCENARIO.
NOT AVOID IT, BUT PUSH IT FOR ONE YEAR.
IF YOU TELL US THAT THIS MAKES A HUGE IMPLICATION IN OUR REDUCTION, THAT MAY HAVE SOME PROGRESS TO BE SACRIFICED, I'M READY TO SIT HERE TILL MIDNIGHT TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> BRING IT AS PART OF THE OPTION ON APRIL 8TH.
>> I THINK WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY AND YOU ALL TO LOOK AT IT, AND SEE IF IT'S VIABLE OR NOT, AND THEN PUSH IF YOU NEED TO.
>> IF WE SAID YES, THAT WE WANTED TO DO IT THIS NOVEMBER, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN FROM A COMMUNITY OUTREACH, MARKETING PERSPECTIVE, IS ALL OF THAT EVEN A REASONABLE EXPECTATION, CONSIDERING WE'RE SPENDING THE SPRING ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
GETTING US THROUGH THE END OF THIS SCHOOL YEAR WITH EVERYBODY MOSTLY GONE FOR THE SUMMER FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE OR IN AND OUT, WE BASICALLY WOULD HAVE SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER TO REALLY GET THE WORD OUT.
>> REMEMBER, YOU DON'T CALL ELEVATOR UNTIL AUGUST.
THE WORK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE DONE IS THAT EFFICIENCY AUDIT.
THE BOARD WOULD NOT CALL ONE UNTIL AUGUST AND SO WE REALLY CAN'T EVEN START PROMOTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UNTIL [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE WOULD DISCUSS IT AS AN OPTION PART OF THE COMMUNITY PRESENTATIONS THAT WE DID THIS SPRING AS YOU WERE REFERRING TO,
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TO THAT RAMP UP.WE WOULD USE THOSE ROAD SHOWS TO BUILD THAT, LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR IT.
THEN HONESTLY WE WOULD START IN AUGUST.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S A VERY SIMILAR TIMELINE TO THE BOND, YOU JUST TRUE MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'VE WRITTEN A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN FOR IT.
YOU JUST STARTED THINKING THROUGH WHAT WOULD WE DO IN CASE THAT YOU DID WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND HOW WOULD WE BUILD THAT OUT AND WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WOULD WE WOULD START IN THE PROCESS OFFICIALLY IN AUGUST.
>> THEN IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OUTCOME THAT WE WANTED IN NOVEMBER, WE WOULD TAKE THAT [OVERLAPPING].
>> ON THE SIMILAR THOUGHT, DOES THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT HAVE TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR? WE ARE GOING OR THE SAME AUDIT CAN GO FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
>> DO YOU THINK WE'RE STILL WITHIN THAT WINDOW? WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S THE SAME.
ARE YOU THINKING DIFFERENTLY, DIANA?
>> YOU'D HAVE TO CHECK, I DON'T KNOW.
>> IT SAYS THAT THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT HAS TO BE WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF THE TIME YOU'RE SELECTING THE FIRM AND THEN WITHIN YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
WE'D HAVE TO ADD AND SEE IF IT WOULD.
>> IF IT COULD WORK FOR EVERYONE NEXT YEAR, THEN I WOULD SAY WE COULD GO AHEAD AND DO THE AUDIT THIS YEAR AND THEN HAVE A CHOICE FOR BOTH YEARS.
>> I MEAN, THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO KEEP YOUR OPTIONS OPEN MOVING FORWARD UNTIL AUGUST AND THEN KNOW THAT WOULD BE OUR A DATE FOR THIS YEAR.
>> SINCE IT'S OUR BIGGEST REVENUE LEVER, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE CAN CONSIDER NOT DOING IT.
I THINK FOR ME IT'S A QUESTION OF THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.
I THOUGHT TOO, THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON IT.
THE FACT THAT IT WOULDN'T MAYBE GIVES US OPTIONS PENDING THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION DIANA IS GOING TO GET ANSWERED.
>> LET'S SET OURSELVES UP FOR SUCCESS.
>> IT GOES BACK TO THE POINT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AND MATTHEWS MENTIONED THAT BEFORE, WE MAKE REALLY HARD DECISIONS WHICH AFFECTS OUR COMMUNITY, KIDS, SCHOOL AND FACILITIES.
WE HAVE TO SHOW TO THE COMMITTEE, WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD.
>> ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A BOND AND INVADER IS THAT IF WE CAN SHOW THAT IT'S NOT A TAX INCREASE, UNLIKE THE BOND, WE HAD TO SAY THIS IS A TAX INCREASE ON OUR BALLOT, WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY THAT THIS TIME.
>> LIKE BOND, WE STILL HAD TO.
EVEN BOND WAS NOT INCREASING FOR SOME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICH REALLY CREATED CONFUSION.
>> THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH EVADER IS THAT IF WE CAN SHOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO.
>> WE CAN'T SAY IT ISN'T HARDER.
WE'VE LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THEIR BALLOT LANGUAGE AND SO THERE IS MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE POSITIVE ABOUT THIS THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY DIGGING INTO.
>> THAT CAN'T BE TOO VOCAL ABOUT THAT.
THEY'LL FIND A WAY TO. [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING].
>> I THINK THIS GIVES US SOME PRETTY STRONG NEXT STEPS.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE TEAM THAT YOU ALL NEED?
HOW MUCH DOES PRE K COST THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDED FOR? HOW MUCH DOES THE BLOCK EIGHT PERIOD DAY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL'S COST? WHERE HAVE WE ADDED STAFF? WHAT ACTUAL POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED? WHEN DO WE NEED TO ADD A TEACHER? I THINK THAT'S TRUE WITH OPEN ENROLLMENT OR JUST REGULAR ENROLLMENT.
BUT THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, WHAT HAS THE ELEMENTARY ATTRITION RATE OF TEACHERS BEEN? HAS THE BUDGET BEEN AND THE ACTUALS, THE HISTORICAL NUMBERS THERE? IF WE USED EACH ELEMENTARY CAMPUS AT AN 89-94% EFFICIENCY, WHAT NUMBER OF STUDENTS WOULD BE ON EACH CAMPUS? YOU'RE ASKING US TO RECOMMEND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5-10 PROGRAMS TO INVESTIGATE AND HAVE DATA ON THOSE PROGRAMS.
>> ONLY IF YOU GUYS THINK THAT PROGRAMS ARE PART OF THE ANSWER.
>> ONLY, THAT'S A GOOD QUALIFIER.
>> BECAUSE WE REALLY FIELD FACILITIES AHEAD OF PROGRAMS HOWEVER.
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>> THAT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME JUST CONSIDERING SPRING BREAK AND THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK OF APRIL.
BECAUSE WE ALSO HAD THE QUESTIONS FOR BOB ABOUT CYPRESS WATERS AND ACTUALS VERSUS ESTIMATED. WE CAN HEAR FROM BOB.
>> IF YOU GUYS CAN FACILITY, IT CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT AFFECTING OUR PROGRAMS. THAT WOULD BE THE AMAZING ANSWER.
>> THE FACILITY COSTS, THE COSTS OF EACH CAMPUS.
THEN TO BRING A MENU OF CHOICES, SCENARIOS THAT PUT TOGETHER, INCLUDING COST OF LIVING INCREASE, INCLUDING THE VADER, INCLUDING THE EVALUATION OF THE PROGRAMS, THE COST OF THE PROGRAMS OR THE FACILITIES.
IF THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT IS DONE THIS SUMMER, WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS OR WOULD IT ONLY BE GOOD FOR 2024?
>> I WAS TRYING TO CHECK OFF AS YOU. [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHEN DO WE ADD A TEACHER WITH OPEN ENROLLMENT?
>> BUT LEE ALSO ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT EXPANDING, DO WE HAVE ROOM TO EXPAND OPEN ENROLLMENT?
>> YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT COSTS WHICH MAY BE [OVERLAPPING].
>> YEAH, THAT'S [OVERLAPPING] AND LIKE THE ADDITIONAL LIKE UNCALCULATED COST OF [OVERLAPPING].
>> STRAIN AND ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT KIDS BRING IN.
>> ANSWER FOR THAT, BUT I LOVE THE TIPPING POINT ANSWER.
>> I CAN BRING THAT. IT'S GOING TO DEPEND BECAUSE IT'S ALL BASED ON THE STAFFING THAT WE PUT IN PLACE FOR EACH YEAR AND THEN BASED ON THAT STAFFING, SO IT'S NOT A STANDARD RATE.
>> THEN I ALSO WILL BRING, AS WE'VE EXPANDED THE OPEN ENROLLMENT NUMBER, WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE ENTERING FOR ELEMENTARY AND WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE AT SECONDARY.
BECAUSE IN ALL HONESTY, THEY'RE ABOUT EVEN.
I THINK THERE WOULD THEN NEED TO BE DISCUSSIONS AROUND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST.
THE SUCCESS OF OPENING UP, YOU CAN ENTER AT ANY GRADE LEVEL, ALLOWS FAMILIES TO COME IN, BUT WE'RE PUSHING THE SEAT CAPACITY AT SECONDARY RIGHT NOW.
I CAN BRING ALL THAT IN A WAY THAT'S VISUAL, NOT ONLY FOR THIS GROUP BUT THEN THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE AS WELL.
>> WERE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE LIST THAT WAS SAID?
>> SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD LIST.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT LIST. [LAUGHTER]
>> BECAUSE THERE'S MORE THAN THREE THINGS BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD THINGS.
>> JUST GROUPING IN THREE [LAUGHTER].
YOU GUYS HAVE A MOTION BY TRUSTEE MELISA THAT WE ADJOURN.
SECTION BY TRUSTEE JOB AND MATTHEW, ANY DISCUSSION HERE AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSED SIX, ZERO.
WE'RE ADJOURN AT 07:20.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.