May 13, 2024 Board Workshop

>> I UNDERSTAND.

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>> EXACTLY RIGHT UP THE AREA.

[I. CALL TO ORDER]

>> TIME IS 5:30. I'M GOING TO CALL THE BOARD WORKSHOP OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THE COPPELL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE SESSION.

FIRST THING WE NEED TO DO IS ESTABLISH A QUORUM.

AM I RIGHT? WE HAVE TRUSTEE ANTHONY HILL AND TRUSTEE NICHOLE BENTLEY, TRUSTEE RANNA RAVAL.

JOINING US ONLINE TONIGHT IS TRUSTEE MANISH SETHI.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TONIGHT FOR OPEN FORUM.

>> DAVID, CAN WE GET TO THE ONE WHERE WE CAN DO THIS? JUST HERE.

>> JUST HERE?

>> JUST HERE. MANISH, CAN YOU HEAR US?

>> YES, I CAN.

>> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL JUST MOVE ON INTO OUR ACTION ITEMS,

[IV.A. Consider and act upon an Order Declaring Results of the May 4, 2024, Trustee General Election]

I'VE JUST GOT TO READ THE ACTUAL ORDER, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THAT.

ON THIS DAY, THE 13TH DAY OF MAY 2024, THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE COPPELL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT CONVENED IN A MEETING WITH THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS PRESENT TO WIT, DAVID CAVINESS AS PRESIDENT, ANTHONY HILL, VICE PRESIDENT, NICHOLE BENTLEY, SECRETARY, MANISH SETHI, MEMBER, RANNA RAVAL, MEMBER.

ABSENT LEIGHWALKER AND JOBBY MATTHEW.

CONSTITUTING A QUORUM AND AMONG OTHER PROCEEDINGS HELD BY SAID BOARD OF TRUSTEES WERE THE FOLLOWING.

THERE CAME ON TO BE HEARD THE RETURNS OF THE TRUSTEE GENERAL ELECTION HELD ON THE FOURTH DAY OF MAY 2023.

>> YOU'RE ACTUALLY WRONG.

>> HELD ON THE FOURTH DAY OF MAY 2024, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ELECTING TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, ONE FOR EACH OF PLACES 6 AND 7 AND SAID RETURNS OF THE TRUSTEE ELECTION HAVING BEEN DULY CANVASSED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THEY'RE BEING CAST AT SET ELECTION, THE FOLLOWING VOTES.

FOR PLACE 6, A TOTAL OF 3,525 VOTES WITH THE CANDIDATES FOR SAID PLACE 6 RECEIVING THE FOLLOWING VOTES TO WIN.

NICHOLE BENTLEY, 2,878 AND IDA PEDRO, 647 FOR A TOTAL OF 3,525 VOTES.

FOR PLACE 7, A TOTAL OF 2,995 VOTES WITH EACH OF THE CANDIDATES FOR SAID PLACE 7 RECEIVING THE FOLLOWING VOTES TO WIT.

JOBBY MATTHEW, 2,995 FOR A TOTAL OF 2,995.

ATTACHED HERE TOO AND INCORPORATED HERE AND FOR ALL PURPOSES AS THE TABULATION REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE, SECTION 67 SPOT 004 ARE THE DETAILED VOTING CENTER ELECTION RESULTS PREPARED BY DALLAS COUNTY ELECTIONS DEPARTMENT FOR THE COPPELL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, MAY 4, 2024 BOARD OF TRUSTEES ELECTION.

IT APPEARING TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND HE SAID BOARD SO FINDING THAT NICHOLE BENTLEY RECEIVED THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VOTES CAST IN PLACE 6 AND THAT JOBBY MATTHEW RECEIVED THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF VOTES CAST IN PLACE 7.

IT IS THEREFORE FOUND AND DECLARED AND SO ORDERED BY THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE COPPELL INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT THE ABOVE TRUSTEE ELECTION WAS DULY CALLED, THAT NOTICE OF SAID ELECTION WAS DULY POSTED AND THAT SAID ELECTION WAS HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW, AND THAT AT SAID ELECTION, NICHOLE BENTLEY WAS ELECTED TO SAID BOARD OF TRUSTEES IN PLACE 6, SUBJECT TO TAKING THE OATH OF OFFICE, AND JOBBY MATTHEW WAS ELECTED TO SAID BOARD OF TRUSTEES IN PLACE 7, SUBJECT TO TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE.

IT IS FURTHER FOUND AND DETERMINED THAT THE DATE, PLACE, AND SUBJECT OF THIS MEETING WAS DULY POSTED ON THE BULLETIN BOARD LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION OFFICE OF THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT, A PLACE CONVENIENT AND READILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SAID NOTICE, HAVING BEEN SO POSTED, REMAINED POSTED FOR AT LEAST 72 HOURS PRECEDING THE SCHEDULED TIME OF SAID MEETING.

AT THIS POINT, IF THAT ALL SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU GUYS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE ORDER DECLARING THE RESULTS OF THE MAY 4, 2024 TRUSTEE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY TRUSTEE NICHOLE BENTLEY SECONDED BY TRUSTEE ANTHONY HILL. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR. WE CAN'T SEE YOU MANISH SO JUST YELL OUT AYE.

>> AYE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I THOUGHT I COULDN'T VOTE REMOTELY.

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THOUGHT YOU COULD BUT WE'LL NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK. WE'VE GOT YOU RECORDED.

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>> EITHER WAY IT'S AYE. [LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH AND WE'LL ADJUST THAT IF WE NEED TO IN THE MINUTES.

MOTION PASSES, NO VOTES FOR NO.

THE ABOVE ORDER BEING READ, IT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE SAME DOES PASS.

THERE UPON, THE QUESTION BEING CALLED FOR, THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD VOTED AYE, DAVID CAVINESS, ANTHONY HILL, NICHOLE BENTLEY, MANISH SETHI, RANNA RAVAL AND THE FOLLOWING VOTED NO, NO ONE AND NOT PRESENT, JOBBY MATTHEW AND LEIGHWALKER.

THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT ORDER.

THEN DO WE ADMINISTER THE CERTIFICATE TO PRESENT THOSE OR?

[IV.B. Issue Certificate of Election to Newly Elected Board Members]

>> CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR ACTION ITEMS.

[VI. CLOSED SESSION]

INSTEAD OF GOING STRAIGHT TO THE WORK SESSION, WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO CLOSE REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK OUT AND HAVE THE REST OF THE EVENING FOR OUR SESSION. TIME IS 5:36.

EXCUSE ME, I'LL CALL US INTO CLOSE PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 551 SPOT 074 PERSONNEL. TIME IS 5:36.

[NOISE] TIME IS 6:05 AND I

[VII. RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION]

IT WILL TAKE US RIGHT INTO OUR WORK SESSION.

[V.A. Coppell ISD’s Legislative Advocacy Resolutions Discussion for the Texas Association of School Boards Consideration for the TASB 2024-2026 Advocacy Agenda - Nichole Bentley, Secretary, Board of Trustees]

>> I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS ARE AT WITH TASB LEGISLATIVE WORK AND THE ROUGH WORK.

WE COULD DECIDE AS A GROUP IF WE WANTED TO SUBMIT ANY RESOLUTIONS.

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THERE WERE GRASS ROOTS MEETINGS ACROSS THE STATE THAT TASB CONDUCTED AND THEY GOT INPUT FROM EVERY REGION AND THEN THEY BUBBLED UP A LIST OF WHAT THE STATE WIDE PRIORITIES AND THEMES WERE.

THEN THEY ALSO GAVE US A LIST OF WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE BY REGION THAT BUBBLED UP THE MOST.

AT THE GRASS ROOTS MEETINGS, THEN THEY DECIDE THERE REPRESENTATIVES ARE VOTED INTO PLACE TO REPRESENT EVERY REGION.

WE ALL CAME TOGETHER IN APRIL RIGHT BEFORE EARLY VOTING AND MET JUST TO TALK ABOUT ALL OF US CAME FROM ACROSS THE STATE.

THERE WERE ABOUT 100 OF US THAT WERE THERE THAT DAY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE STATEWIDE ISSUES, SOME REGIONAL ISSUES, AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO DELEGATE ASSEMBLY.

ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTED TO ADD, THEY COULD GO TO THE MICS AND ADVOCATE FOR CHANGING WORDSMITHING, OR ADDING THINGS.

WE WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

LAC 2 IS MEETING DURING SLI SAN ANTONIO AND THAT'S WHEN WE WILL WALK AWAY WITH THE DRAFT OF WHAT WILL BE AT THE DELEGATE ASSEMBLY AT TASA /TASB IN SEPTEMBER SO THAT TASB HAS THE LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, HOPEFULLY, BEST REPRESENTING ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE FOR WHEN THE SESSION BEGINS IN JANUARY.

WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE IN THE WINDOW OF BEING ABLE TO SUBMIT ANY RESOLUTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TASB.

THEY WILL TALLY ALL OF THOSE THAT COME IN FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE TO SEE IF ANYTHING ELSE WOULD MOVE UP THE LIST OF LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES OR POTENTIALLY BE ADDED AND ALL OF THAT GETS TURNED IN BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN IN LAC 2.

TONIGHT, THE SLIDE IN THE EMAIL THAT CAROL SENT OUT TO YOU GUYS, I PROVIDED FROM THE GRASSROOTS, WHAT WAS SHARED AS THE STATEWIDE PRIORITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT AT LAC 1.

THEN I ALSO INCLUDED WHAT THE REGION 10 PRIORITIES WERE BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE COULD DIFFER.

ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE IN A REGION THAT HALF OF DFW.

FOR THOSE OF YOU AT TIMES YOU MAY NOT KNOW REGION 11 IS THE OTHER HALF OF DFW AND SOMETIMES IN THE URBAN AREAS, SOME OF THE THEMES CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WITH MORE RURAL REGIONS.

WHERE WE'RE AT THEN IS WE MET LAC COMMITTEE DECIDED TO GO WITH TWO MAIN PRIORITIES TO GO TO THE LEGISLATORS WITH.

ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT IS THAT THE MORE DETAILED AND CONVOLUTED THE CASES MADE,

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THE TWO THINGS THAT WE CAME AWAY FROM LAC 1 WITH, ONE IS FUNDING, AND THE OTHER ONE IS LOCAL CONTROL.

THEN THE HOPE IS THAT WITHIN THAT UNDER FUNDING, THEN THERE MIGHT BE FOUR OR FIVE DETAILED BULLETS ABOUT WHAT TASB MEANS ON BEHALF OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS OF WHAT FUNDING MIGHT BE OR IT COULD BE US SAYING HERE'S A RESOLUTION WE'D LIKE TO SUBMIT BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT'S EXPANDED UPON UNDER FUNDING.

YOU CAN IMAGINE, SPED HAS COME UP HALF DAY VERSUS FULL DAY.

PRE-K FUNDING HAS COME UP THE AVERAGE DAILY ALLOTMENT VERSUS ENROLLMENT AND HAS COME UP ALONG WITH SAFETY AND SECURITY, ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE BASICALLY UNFUNDED MANDATES OR WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH MONEY ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE SOME OF THOSE BULLETS UNDER FUNDING.

THEN THE OTHER THOUGHT WITH LOCAL CONTROL WAS THAT IF YOU GIVE US EVEN CLOSE TO THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING AND YOU LET US SELF GOVERN, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I'M A RURAL OR URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I CAN DECIDE WHERE MY DISTRICT MOST NEEDS TO USE THOSE FUNDS, RATHER THAN THE LEGISLATOR DICTATING WHERE WE CAN USE SO MANY OF OUR FUNDS THROUGH BILL PASSAGE.

THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG AREAS.

I THINK REALLY A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT TONIGHT.

THE FIRST THING IS, DO WE WANT TO SUBMIT ANY RESOLUTIONS THAT FALL UNDER EITHER OF THOSE TWO BUCKETS? I THINK THOSE TWO BIG CATEGORIES ARE GOING TO STAND AS THE TWO BIG TALKING POINTS THAT TASB IS GOING TO USE.

THEN BECAUSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHO ARE JUST SIMPLY ENCOURAGING THEIR VOTERS TO GET OUT AND VOTE ARE BEING TARGETED FOR ELECTIONEERING.

I THINK THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN PARTICULAR, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE BOARD TAKE THE LEAD ON GETTING OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGED AND GETTING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE.

JOBBY AND I HAVE BRAINSTORMED A LITTLE BIT.

LEGISLATIVE HAS BEEN A COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE, BUT I THINK I'D LOVE FOR US TO HAVE A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT, WHO ELSE WANTS TO BE PART OF THE CORE WORKING GROUP, BUT THEN THE THREE OF US WHOEVER THOSE THREE PEOPLE ARE END UP SHARING EVERYTHING WITH EVERYBODY THAT WE MIGHT NEED BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE ALL OF US TO MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THIS LOCALLY, BUT I FEEL LIKE WITH THE BUDGET SITUATION, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY ATTENTION MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN WE HAVE.

I THINK THOSE ARE THE TWO BIG THINGS WE WANTED.

WE NEEDED TO GET FIGURED OUT TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY THE RESOLUTION SINCE WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE.

>> CHRISTY ALLEY I'LL WEIGH IN ON THAT CONVERSATION.

THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE.

MULTIPLE TIMES, HAVING GONE THROUGH MULTIPLE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, AND ESPECIALLY THE BIG TALKING POINT ON THE FUNDING.

I THINK WHAT IS THE WATERFALL IN TERMS OF MAGNITUDE IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAD WITH YOUR FIRST LAC? WHERE DID PEOPLE SEEM TO AGREE ON THE TOP FUNDING PRIORITIES? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU RAN THROUGH FIVE OR SIX IN YOUR POINTS TONIGHT ALREADY.

WHAT WERE THE TWO OR THREE THAT PEOPLE LIKE? YES, WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THIS.

>> I THINK THE PER STUDENT ALLOTMENT WAS SOMETHING THAT THERE WAS CONSENSUS AROUND WHETHER THAT SHOULD BE ENROLLMENT OR ADA BASED, THERE WASN'T CONSENSUS, SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A RESOLUTION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE THAT REFLECTS WHAT WE NEED OR VALUE HERE IN CAMPBELL ISD.

THAT ONE DEFINITELY CAME UP, SPED AND PRE-K CAME UP PRETTY EVENLY AND HOW GROSSLY UNDERFUNDED BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE.

THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP A GOOD AMOUNT WAS ONE OF THE REGION 10 THINGS THAT'S ON THERE, SOME INFLATION INDEX IN THE BASIC ALLOTMENT, SO WE AREN'T GOING BACK AND FIGHTING FOR EVERY PENNY, EVERY FIVE YEARS, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

THAT GOT SOME LEGS.

I WOULD SAY THOSE WOULD BE THE BIG ONES.

THE OTHER THING I THINK WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ON IS SO THAT TASB HAS CLARITY ABOUT WHAT WE VALUE IN COPPELL ISD IS IF VOUCHERS DID PASS, WHAT WOULD BE THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE NON NEGOTIABLE FOR US BECAUSE IF TASB HAS TO ENTER INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON SOME DISTRICTS BEHALF, THEY REALLY NEED CLARITY ABOUT WHAT ARE THE LINES IN THE SAND FOR US OR WHAT ARE WE ASKING TO BE INCLUDED IF VOUCHERS DO PASS IN THE NEXT SESSION.

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>> IN THE NATION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IT'S PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE TAKES CARE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING.

BUT FROM THE PREVIOUS LEGISLATIVE SESSION, ONE OF THE TOPIC WHICH GOT MORE OF BIPARTISANS THIRD LAWS WAS NEEDING MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR THE ROBIN HOOD FUNDS ONCE THEY GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUNDS AND THAT MEANS IN ALL THE MEETINGS I'VE HAD WITH DIFFERENT LEGISLATORS, THAT'S ONE POINT NOBODY COULD BE [INAUDIBLE] ON AND THEY ALL SAID, YES, THERE SHOULD BE MORE TRANSPARENCY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE GOT MORE OF THE PAID CANDIDATES ON THE SEATS.

THAT WAS ONE TOPIC THAT BROUGHT EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

>> [OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S A GREAT ONE TO INCLUDE UNDER FUNDING, MANISH, WELL, PROBABLY UNDER FUNDING MORE THAN LOCAL CONTROL, BUT I THINK THAT COULD DEFINITELY GET LEGS AT LAP 2.

>> BUT GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTION YOU ASKED, NICOLE, IF YOU HAVE TO DO A RESOLUTION RATHER THAN PICKING A TOPIC, I THINK WE SHOULD DO A RESOLUTION ON ALL THE POINTS WITH HOW WE CAN KEEP ON ADDING WHERE IF WHEREAS WE HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] TO GET A RESOLUTION, PICK AND CHOOSE BECAUSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE IS IMPORTANT AND IT'S RIGHT NOW TOO EARLY TO KNOW WHICH ONE OF THESE POINTS WILL GET LEGS IN THE NEXT SESSION.

>> I'M REALLY OPEN TO WHATEVER PROCESS WE WANT.

I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO DECIDE WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FOR US.

THE SLIDE HAS STATEWIDE REGION 10.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR US? I KNOW WHEN FUNDING BASED ON STUDENT ENROLLMENT CAME UP IN THE LAST SESSION, THAT ACTUALLY WASN'T THE WAY THE BILLS WERE PRESENTED, WASN'T AS FAVORABLE TO US AS ADA WAS.

I THINK IF WE JUST WANT TO MAKE A LIST EVEN OF WHAT WE WANT RESOLUTIONS AROUND OR A RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDES OUR LIST OF THINGS, THEN I THINK THAT'S A TOTALLY FINE APPROACH.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.

I DON'T WANT TO DECIDE THAT FOR EVERYBODY AND SHOULDN'T BE DECIDING THAT.

>> I'M FINE ADDING ALL THESE STATEWIDE ONES TO AN OVERALL RESOLUTION AND SAYING ALL THESE IN ADDITION TO, AND THEN THE ONES THAT WE WOULD WANT.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE ONE THAT WE START PUSHING ON IF VOUCHERS PASS, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

MARCH 5TH, THE PRIMARY FLIP UNPRECEDENTED ATTACK ON THOSE SUPPORTED VOUCHERS, AND THEN IN MAY 28TH I THINK IS WHEN THE ELECTIONS RUNOFFS ARE SO WE'LL KNOW VERY POINTEDLY HOW IS IT GOING TO TURN OUT IN 2026.

RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO BE STARTING THINKING ABOUT, WELL, IF THIS IS LIKE A REALITY AND IF IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSE, WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER MAY, WELL, THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GO ON BECAUSE IT'S JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER CYCLE OF US NOT GETTING ANY MONEY AT ALL BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE GOVERNOR HAS CHOSEN TO PLAY IT.

NO MONEY OR VOUCHERS.

THE BASIC THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE RIGHT NOW, I GUESS, THE FIRST PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE WAS TO GIVE $10,000 PER STUDENT WHEN WE'RE ONLY GETTING SIX, SO THAT'S $4,000 LOSS FOR OUR STUDENTS ALREADY.

FUNDING PARITY, AT LEAST AS A BARE MINIMUM AS AS ONE OF THOSE, THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON ALL OTHER THINGS IF YOU OFFER PRE-K AND THEY COME AND WHICHEVER DISABILITIES THAT THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM.

ALL THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT COME ON US, ABOUT THE SERVICES WE NEED TO PROVIDE NEED TO BE PUT ON CHARTER SCHOOLS IF THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO GET PUBLIC FUNDS.

IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME, THEN THAT'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO PLAY. [OVERLAPPING]

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> ALL THE RULES ARE SAME.

>> CAN EVERYBODY GET BEHIND MAKING ALL THE RULES THE SAME JUST TO SIMPLIFY, BUT FOR THE CONVERSATION'S SAKE, BUT MAKING ALL THE RULES THE SAME IF VOUCHER'S PASS BEING SOMETHING THAT WE STAND FOR?

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK THAT'S A KEY.

>> I THINK THAT ONE PROBABLY SHOULD BE ITS OWN SEPARATE RESOLUTION JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO GO OR HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT THAT WILL GET IT ON THE LAX RADAR FOR A CONVERSATION IN JUNE, AND I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ABOUT DOING ALL THE STATEWIDE ONES, JOB, IS THE FUNDING ON STUDENT ENROLLMENT.

DO WE STILL FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO US, DIANA?

>> IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL TO OTHER DISTRICTS,

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[OVERLAPPING] IT WAS MORE JUST THAT INEQUITY.

>> YES. MAYBE AROUND THE BASIC ALLOTMENT.

MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING ABOUT WITH THE BASIC ALLOTMENT CREATING EQUITY REGARDLESS OF IF THEY DO ADA OR STUDENT ENROLLMENT.

>> I'D BE FINDING BEHIND AN ENROLLMENT BASED ONE, IF THE POSITION IS ALWAYS I HAVE TO EXPAND CAPITAL BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE I'M GOING TO HAVE MY ABILITY.

I HAVE TO PLAN FOR TEACHERS.

I HAVE TO PLAN FOR WHO I EXPECT TO BE HERE AND NOT WHO'S ACTUALLY SHOWING UP BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN'T CONTROL.

I CAN'T CONTROL WHETHER OR NOT A PARENTS BRING SOMEBODY IN OR NOT, AND WHILE IT MIGHT BE A WINDFALL, THERE'S SOME DISTRICTS WHO HAVE LIKE 80% OR I DON'T KNOW HOW LOW THE NUMBERS GO IN TERMS OF THAT, WHEREAS WE WOULD MOVE UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO JUST UNIVERSALLY SAY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE. [OVERLAPPING]

>> JUST IMPORTANT.

>> JUST FOR SIMPLICITY.

I'M SURE SOME ARE GOING TO GET MORE THAN THEY WOULD, BUT AT LEAST THOSE KIDS WILL HAVE NOW SUSTAINABLE FUNDING.

THAT'S JUST MY TWO CENTS.

AS MANY OF THESE AS WE CAN CONSOLIDATE AND ALIGN ON SO THAT EVERY TRUSTEE AND EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT, MAKE SURE THAT WALKED INTO A LEGISLATIVE OFFICE SAYS, I WANT THESE FIVE THINGS.

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, IT'LL VARY ON DISTRICT, BUT I THINK WE COULD ALL AGREE THAT IT COULD BE A BENEFIT TO PUBLIC, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A BROADER PERSPECTIVE ON PUBLIC, AS WELL AS THE PIECES THAT FALL UNDERNEATH US IN REGARDS TO I KNOW THE ENROLLMENT TO [INAUDIBLE] POINT.

I THINK IT WILL PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF BENEFIT AND WHY NOT JUST JUMP ON A BANDWAGON AND SAY YES, WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THAT WILL GIVE US A BIGGER BANG FOR THE BUCK, AND I THINK, WE'VE GOT TO SHOW SOME SOLIDARITY AND SUPPORT FOR THESE THINGS AND THEY WON'T ALL BE EQUAL TO US FOR US.

>> FINE. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THERE THAT YOU GUYS WANT NOT INCLUDED?

>> SOMETHING I WOULD ADD IN A UMBRELLA STATEMENT IS THAT SEEMS LIKE THE STATE DOES THESE TASK FORCE THAT INVESTIGATE THINGS SUCH AS TEACHER RETENTION AND IMPROVEMENT AND SPECIAL ED IN PARTICULAR TWO THAT POP TO ME AND THEN NEVER MAKE ANY MOVEMENT ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THOSE TASK FORCE.

LOOKING AT TEACHER RECRUITMENT, OBVIOUSLY, SUPPORTING WHAT CAME OUT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT STATE GROUP, BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD SPECIAL EDUCATION TO THAT.

IF YOU HAVE DONE A TASK FORCE AT THE STATE LEVEL, ACTUALLY LOOKING AT EXAMINING AND IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT.

WHAT I'M HEARING YOU GUYS SAY IS WE WANT TO HAVE A VERY POINTED SPECIFIC SPHERE ON THIS, WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE IT SEEMS TO ME JUST IN GENERAL, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE AND INVESTIGATE WHAT WE SHOULD DO, THEN FOLLOW THROUGH AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY GOOD BECAUSE IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A MARKETING TOOL.

>> WE SHOULD LARGELY IGNORE WHAT THE TASK FORCE SAYS THAT THEY NEED TO DO.

ON THE TOPIC OF, I KNOW I WAS SAYING, MAYBE JUST SIGN UP TO ALL OF THOSE, BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN, THE REVISION OF THE ELIMINATION OF AF ACCOUNTABILITY.

LISTEN, I SEA BASS, THERE'S A REASON THAT WE DO IT AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO DO HERE, I THINK THAT IS THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT HOLISTICALLY.

BUT IN THE SENSE OF APPOINTED CAMPAIGN, SHOULD IT BE A RECOMMENDATION AND BE, YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST NOT RIGHT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ASK FOR.

BUT EITHER THAT'S THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST OR IT'S NOT EVEN CONSIDERED BECAUSE I CARE MORE ABOUT YOU PROVIDING ME MONEY, THE MONEY THAT WE ARE ENTITLED TO.

>> I THINK IT GOING AWAY IS A LITTLE BIT OF A PIPE DREAM AT THIS POINT.

IF WE COULD SLAY ONE THING TO ME, THAT WOULDN'T BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST AS MUCH AS IT'S RIDICULOUS.

IT'S NOT IMPACTING A LOT OF OUR DAY TO DAY WORK IT DOESN'T FEEL.

I KNOW, IT HAS A LOT BIGGER IMPACT ON OTHER DISTRICTS THAN IT DOES ON US.

I'LL JUST SAY THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I HAVE WONDERED THE SAME THING, WE CAN'T TRY TO SLAY TOO MANY THINGS OR WE'RE GOING TO END UP WITH NOTHING.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK WE GOT TO BE REALISTIC AND PICK THE TWO OR THREE OR ONE BIG ITEMS THAT IMPACT US AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS.

>> REG IS GOOD WITH US COMING BACK WITH DRAFT RESOLUTIONS THEN.

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JOE'S IN. I'M IN.

ANYBODY ELSE? ROM IS IN.

THE THREE OF US WILL DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE AND SHARE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE WHAT WE ALL NEED.

BUT THEN THAT KEEPS US OUT OF, CREATING ANY MEETINGS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE MAY LATER TAKE A VOTE ON SO WE WANTED TO BE REALLY INTENTIONAL AND VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE TO DO EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK.

THANK YOU GUYS. I'LL TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO INTO THE REASON WE'RE HERE, OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP.

[V.B. 2024-2025 & 2025-2026 Budget Workshop - Diana Sircar (Chief Financial Officer) (SPPG4) (FOS)]

>> DOCTOR HUNT.

>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONTENT, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT IN IT.

JUST AS A QUICK RECAP.

THE AGENDA IS AS FOLLOWS.

WE WILL LOOK AT THE BUDGET PRIORITIES THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED BY THE BOARD.

WE WILL ALSO DISCUSS WHERE WE ARE WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR CORE VALUES AND CISD, REDEFINING SUCCESS, RELATIONSHIPS, GREAT TEACHING AND ENGAGEMENT.

IT'S OUR NORMAL PRACTICE TO BE ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S BEEN YOUR EXPECTATION AS A BOARD THAT WE ENGAGE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE BUDGET, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT SO WE HAVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT WORK.

WE ALSO HAVE A FIRST DRAFT OF OUR GENERAL OPERATING FUND BUDGET THAT MS. SIRKAR HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR 24/25.

YOU ASKED FOR ATTRITION RATES AND TRENDS, AND SO WE HAVE THAT BOTH AT THE ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY LEVEL FOR TEACHERS.

THAT WAS THE AREA WE FOCUSED ON.

WE DIDN'T LOOK AT ALL STAFF PRIMARILYME OF THAT INCLUDES ALL STAFF AND MAINLY LOOKED AT RELATED TO TEACHING ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY.

WE NEED SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION CONSIDERATION THAT HAS BEEN A REQUEST OF THE BOARD.

WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT TWO OF OUR PROGRAMS, INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE AND DUAL LANGUAGE IMMERSION.

AGAIN, AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, AND SOME OF OUR PRECUL TEAM MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

MASTER SCHEDULE AT THE SECONDARY LEVEL, BOTH MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL HAS BEEN ANOTHER REQUEST, AND SO WE WANT TO TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THAT WORK AND ALSO ASK FOR SOME GUIDANCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE OPTIONS FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION AT THE FACILITY EVALUATION TOOL, WHICH IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF ONE OF OUR ACTION TEAMS FROM STRATEGIC PLANNING AT 711.

THEN A BIG IMPORTANT PART THAT WE NEED FROM THE BOARD IS TO LEAVE TONIGHT WITH A DECISION MAKING CALENDAR THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO HELP GUIDE US AS A STAFF.

I SHARE THIS BROADLY, AS THOSE ARE A LOT OF IMPORTANT TOPICS.

WE HAVE OVER 64 DIFFERENT SLIDES SO I'M NOT RUSHING ANYONE, BUT WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT'S AHEAD OF US AS WE LOOK AT THIS WHOLE PICTURE.

AS WE LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL JUST BE REMINDED OF THE FOUR PRIORITIES THAT THE BOARD HAS ESTABLISHED RELATED TO OUR BUDGET AND THAT'S TO REMAIN A LEADER IN SALARY BENEFITS, AND EMPLOYEE RETENTION, EDUCATOR SUPPORT POSITIONS AND TRAINING, EVALUATE PROGRAM EFFECTIVENESS, OFFERING CHOICE PROGRAMS, AND ALSO LOOK AT BEING EFFICIENT WITH OPERATING COSTS, OPEN ENROLLMENT EXPANSION AND THE UTILIZATION OF OUR FUND BALANCE.

WITH ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WE HAD WELL OVER 2,700 INTERACTIONS WITH STAFF, STUDENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND PARENTS.

WE'VE HAD 42 SEPARATE PRESENTATIONS.

WE REALLY HIT THOSE PRETTY HARD, I WANT TO THANK DIANA SARKAR, OUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, MISS ANGELA.

BROWN, OUR CHIEF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER FOR PUTTING THOSE ALL TOGETHER. IT'S REALLY HELPING.

IT'S HELPING TO NOT ONLY GET INFORMATION OUT, BUT IT'S ALSO HELPING TO GET QUESTIONS.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SESSIONS, WE GET GREAT QUESTIONS, GREAT FEEDBACK, AND I THANK THEM FOR THEIR INVOLVEMENT.

ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT PIECE AS NAVIN GOES TO THE, I'M SORRY, [INAUDIBLE] NAVIN GOES TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

>> NO. I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE A FEW MORE PRESENTATIONS TO GO.

>> SO I DID WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REALIZE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.

WE'VE HAD A SURVEY THAT WENT OUT MID SPRING.

WE'VE DONE OUR COMMUNITY DIALOGUE THAT WAS EARLY IN APRIL.

WE HAD OUR FACEBOOK LIVE ON MAY 1.

WE'VE HAD QUITE A BIT OF A VARIETY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENGAGEMENT AS WELL AS OUR DIRECT PRESENTATIONS AND ALL OF THOSE OR THAT FACEBOOK LIVE VIDEO

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I KNOW LAST TIME WE CHECKED WE HAD.

>> OVER 1,000 VIEWERS.

>> OVER 1,000 VIEWERS.

AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE TEAM FOR BEING A PART OF THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMUNITY FOR JUMPING OUT THERE AND HELPING US.

WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRST LOOK AT OUR GENERAL OPERATING BUDGET.

>> AS THE BOARD KNOWS, WE ALWAYS USE SOME ASSUMPTIONS TO DEVELOP THE BUDGET.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE PROPERTY VALUES WILL GROW ABOUT 8% IN THE DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD THEN MEAN THAT THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE WOULD BE COMPRESSED BY 3.39 PENNIES.

THE BUDGET AS IT STANDS, DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY DECISION ON THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THERE.

THE REFINED AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE AND ENROLLMENT ARE BASED UPON THE DEMOGRAPHERS ESTIMATES AND PROJECTIONS THAT HE SHARED WITH US THIS SPRING AT A 96% ATTENDANCE RATE AND THEN ADJUSTING OUR ADA FOR PRE-K SINCE IT'S ONLY HALF FUNDED SO THAT'S THE NUMBERS WE'VE USED.

THEN IN THE MULTI YEAR PROJECTION THAT YOU WERE PROVIDED ALSO INCLUDES THE ENROLLMENT BASED UPON THE DEMOGRAPHERS ESTIMATE.

THIS FIRST DRAFT BUDGET INCLUDES A 2% COST OF LIVING INCREASE FOR TEACHERS AND STAFF AND KEEPS THE EMPLOYER HEALTH CARE CONTRIBUTION AT 350 PER MONTH FOR FULL TIME STAFF.

THE REVENUES ARE HERE.

THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE DRAFT BUDGET.

THE MIDDLE COLUMN IS THE REVISED BUDGET AS OF LAST MONTH AND THEN 2022-23 ACTUAL SO YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT COMPARISON.

YOU'LL SEE THAT TAX REVENUE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN IT WAS IN 22-23 THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE $100,000 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

OTHER LOCAL REVENUE IS RELATIVELY THE SAME AS IS STATE REVENUE AND THEN FEDERAL REVENUE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN FEDERAL REVENUE THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE SHARS REVENUE, THE REIMBURSEMENT FOR MEDICAID THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED, AND THAT IS STATEWIDE THAT'S BEEN REDUCED BASED UPON THE FEDERAL AUDIT OF THE TEXAS HUMAN AND HEALTH SERVICES COMMISSION THAT ADMINISTERS THAT PROGRAM, AND ALSO THE DISTRICT BENEFITED FROM SOME INDIRECT COST DRAW-DOWN FROM THE ESA GRANTS, AND THAT HELPED OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR, BUT WE NO LONGER HAVE THOSE GRANTS SO THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR.

THIS IS THE EXPENDITURES, THE SAME TYPE OF CHART WITH THE BUDGET, WHERE THE REVISED BUDGET IS THIS YEAR, AND THEN THE 2022-23 ACTUALS.

THE EXPENSE BUDGET IS RELATIVELY THE SAME AS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AGAIN, THE DROP FROM 2023 TO THE DRAFT BUDGET, A GOOD PORTION OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH RECAPTURE YOU'LL SEE RECAPTURE WENT FROM 48 MILLION DOWN TO 23 MILLION.

THEN HERE'S REALLY WHERE THE FUND BALANCE IS WHEN WE LOOK AT REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES SO THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE DRAFT BUDGET AS PRESENTED THEN THE NEXT TWO COLUMNS ARE 2023-24 ESTIMATED END OF YEAR.

I'VE GOT AN END OF YEAR HIGH AND END OF YEAR LOW.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE END OF YEAR LOW IS TAKING OUR CURRENT ACTUAL EXPENDITURES, WHAT OUR PROJECTED PAYROLL WILL BE THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR, PLUS WHATEVER MONEY IS ENCUMBERED, AND ENCUMBERED MEANS THAT IT'S ON A PO SOMEWHERE AND IT'S EXPECTED TO BE SPENT AND THEN THE END OF YEAR HIGH IS THAT SAME NUMBER, BUT THEN TAKING THE AVAILABLE REMAINING BUDGET IN ANY NON PAYROLL ACCOUNTS AND SO THAT MEANS THAT DEPARTMENTS AND CAMPUSES STILL HAVE THAT MONEY TO SPEND, THEY MAY STILL PUT POS IN THE SYSTEM TO SPEND THAT MONEY THAT IS SOMETIMES HARD TO ESTIMATE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE SPENT THERE.

BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT BETWEEN AN $8.9 MILLION DEFICIT AND A $5.4 MILLION DEFICIT 5.4 BEING IF NOBODY SPENDS ANYTHING MORE THAN WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO SPENDING ON A PO TODAY.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING AT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE ABOUT A $10 MILLION DEFICIT.

THAT 8.8 IS ABOUT ONE MILLION DOLLAR AWAY FROM 10,

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>> WHICH IS GREAT BUT AS A REMINDER, THAT'S A ONE TIME REVENUE, BUT IT'S GREAT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT.

>> ARE WE RESTRICTED? I MEAN, CAN I GO GENERAL FUND VERSUS?

>> BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'VE PAID THAT OFF SINCE THOSE ARE FIVE YEAR DOLLARS?

>> HAVE YOU EVER DONE THIS BEFORE WHERE YOU BREAK IT OUT WITH A HIGH END LOW?

>> I HAVE DONE.

>> I LIKE THAT.

>> IT WAS NICE.

>> THANK YOU. IT MADE SENSE TO ME [OVERLAPPING]

>> SOMEBODY ELSE FEEDBACK, AND I FORGOT TO SAY IN MY LITTLE INTRO SPEECH.

OF COURSE, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME, BUT WE DO HAVE STRATEGIC STOPPING POINTS WITH QUESTIONS AND NEXT STEPS FROM THE BOARD.

BUT OF COURSE YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT ANY TIME.

>> ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION IS THE INCREASE IN TRS HEALTHCARE PREMIUMS THAT IS THE HEALTHCARE THAT A GOOD PORTION ABOUT 63% OF OUR STAFF IS ON.

TRS CHANGED THE WAY THEY DO PREMIUMS AND NOW THEY ARE REGIONAL RATES, AND SO WE'RE IN REGION 10 AND THOSE RATES ARE INCREASING 11% FOR NEXT YEAR SO AN EMPLOYEE ONLY IF THEY JUST HAVE AN EMPLOYEE ONLY PLAN, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF A LITTLE OVER $50-$612 PER YEAR.

THE DISTRICTS CURRENTLY CONTRIBUTING $350 PER MONTH FOR $4,200 PER YEAR FOR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

AS A JUST A METHOD OF LOOKING AT WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FOR A TEACHER, A 1% COST OF LIVING INCREASE WOULD BE $683 AND WE COMPARE THAT TO THAT INCREASE OF $612 JUST IN TRS HEALTHCARE TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A TEACHER MIGHT BE FACING THERE.

I HAVE INDICATED THAT THE BUDGET INCLUDES A 2% COST OF LIVING INCREASE, BUT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF LOOKING AT ANY COST OF LIVING INCREASE.

UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S ABOUT $1,050,000 FOR EACH PERCENT SO IF IT WAS 1%, IT'D BE 1,000,050 SAVINGS IF IT WAS 3%, IT WOULD BE $1,050,000 MORE THAN THIS BUDGET.

THEN I LOOKED AT WHERE ARE WE REALLY SEEING OUR MAJOR KIND OF THE NEEDLE MOVING AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE OFFSETTING EACH OTHER SO FOR EXAMPLE, REVENUE, I TALKED ABOUT THE SHARS REVENUE, WHERE WE'VE LOST 400,000 AND WE'RE BUDGETING $400,000 LESS.

THAT INDIRECT COST REVENUE IS A MILLION DOLLARS LESS THAN WAS IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

HOWEVER, WE'RE BUDGETING INCREASED INTEREST EARNINGS DUE TO THE FACT THAT INTEREST RATES ARE STILL UP AT 5% PLUS AND SOME OF THE OTHER REVENUE WE TALKED ABOUT, LIKE MARKETING REVENUE AND CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS.

WE'RE A BIT AHEAD OF OUR REVENUES THERE, ABOUT 400,000.

EXPENDITURES, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, WE'VE REDUCED DISTRICT LEVEL EXPENDITURES.

THESE ARE NON PAYROLL EXPENDITURES BY $470,000.

WE DID TAKE A 10% ACROSS THE BOARD DEPARTMENT BUDGET REDUCTION AND SOME CAMPUS BUDGET REDUCTIONS AND WE'VE REDUCED SOME OTHER SPECIFIC BUDGETS BUT WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN ESTIMATED TRANSPORTATION AND IN CUSTODIAL, AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE WITH THOSE COMPANIES.

WE HAVE REDUCED POSITIONS THROUGH ATTRITION TO DATE FOR A TOTAL OF $2.1 MILLION.

THEN THAT COST OF LIVING INCREASE THAT 2% IS ABOUT $2.1 MILLION.

WE ALSO HAD SOME ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE ADDED FOR OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, SO THAT'S ADDING 500,000.

I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL POSITIONS THAT WERE REDUCED THEY DO NOT IMPACT OUR GENERAL OPERATING BUDGET, BUT THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE FUNDED OUT OF ESA AND SO WE ARE AVOIDING BRINGING THAT INTO THE GENERAL OPERATING FUND SO THAT WAS ABOUT $450,000.

THE QUESTION AT THE END OF THIS REALLY IS WHAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER FOR US TO BRING NEXT TIME WE BRING THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS IN JUNE, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER THAT WE'LL BE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT THE COMPENSATION PLAN AND THEN ASKING YOU TO ADOPT THE COMPENSATION PLAN IN JUNE.

>> ANY THOUGHTS ON WHETHER WE DO A PAY INCREASE,

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AT 47, MY EYES ARE GETTING WORSE.

SLIDE 14. WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPARISON.

>> THE COMPARISON.

>> THIS ONE IS 14.

>> NO.

>> ONE MORE.

>> ONE MORE. THAT ONE.

>> SORRY.

>> I LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING IN SOME WAY THAT ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE PUT IN, AND WE BARELY TOUCHED REDUCING THE DEFICIT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THIS LEADS TO SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'RE GOT TO HAVE TONIGHT TOO.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I STRUGGLE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ANYTHING.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE GOT TO REALLY, I THINK, HAVE A PAUSE OR CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE DID IT.

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A CONVERSATION FOR US AROUND THE TABLE, HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT THAT.

>> I WILL GO BACK TO HISTORICALLY.

ONLY ONCE WE'VE NEVER GIVEN IT, THAT'S BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND THE REGION AND THE STATE WAS NOT DOING ANYTHING EITHER.

THE CHALLENGE, I THINK, WE RUN INTO, IF OTHER DISTRICTS IN OUR NEIGHBORING VICINITY ARE DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T, DOES THAT TRIGGER PEOPLE TO THINK TWICE TO STAY HERE? I KNOW THAT PEOPLE THINK 1%, 2%, BUT THOSE ARE HUGE TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE OUT THERE LISTING AND WORKING OVERTIME.

I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S LIKE, WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO GIVE UP OR SACRIFICE POTENTIALLY BY NOT DOING SOMETHING TO STAY ON PAR? BECAUSE WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ROAD SHOWS, FIRST THING WE TALK ABOUT IS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE BOARD HAD.

WHEN I HEAR DR. HUNT TALK ABOUT IT, THOSE THINGS SEEM TO HAVE RESONATED WITH PEOPLE A LOT IN TERMS OF SAYING, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF US, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WHENEVER LOOKING AT THIS IS, IS IT WORTH THE SQUEEZE? I THINK IT IS ALWAYS WORTH THE SQUEEZE CONSIDERING THE POSITION THAT THE STAFF CENTRAL ADMINISTRATION, CAMPUS ADMINISTRATION HR HAS DONE IN COMMUNICATING OUT THE SEVERITY OF THE ISSUES, PEOPLE ARE FEELING IT, STARTING TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARDS.

I JUST THINK THAT IF WE PULL BACK, THAT WE MAY BE PULLING BACK ON SOMETHING THAT WE MAY HAVE GIVEN THE IMPRESSION THAT WE STRONGLY FEEL ABOUT.

>> I'M NOT ADVOCATING NOT TO DO ONE.

[OVERLAPPING] I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY FOR RECORDING AND EVERYBODY.

>> I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

STICKING TO THE SLIDE 30 [INAUDIBLE].

IF WE BETWEEN MOVE BETWEEN HIGH AND LOW AND IF WE END UP SEPARATING IN THE MIDDLE, 6.5 MILLION DEFICIT, STARTING FROM 12, THINKING IT WOULD BE 10 AND LANDING UP 6.5-7 MILLION, I THINK OUR STAFF IS DOING AN AMAZING JOB IN WHAT THEY PROMISED US IN THE COMMUNITY OF SQUEEZING EVERYTHING THEY CAN WITHOUT COMPROMISING ON YOUR EDUCATION.

THE SECOND POINT I'M KEEPING IN MIND IS WHAT OUR PRIORITIES.

OUR PRIORITIES IS TAKING CARE OF TEACHERS, TAKING CARE OF THE SPOTS OF THE TEACHERS.

THOSE ARE BY FAR THE TWO TOP PRIORITIES WE DECIDED AS A WHOLE.

WITHOUT EVEN GOING IN A YEAR 1 OF DOING THE CUTS, WHICH I KNOW THAT FEATURES THE NEXT SLIDES WILL COVER THOSE TOPICS TO BE GIVING UP ON AT LEAST 2% COMPENSATION INCREASE.

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CONSIDERING THAT, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO, AND THIS IS JUST ME, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GIVE, NOT GIVING BASE PAY RAISE, EVEN A DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT OPEN FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

I UNDERSTAND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE THE SAME BECAUSE BASE PAY RAISE WILL BE COMPENSATED BY ONE TIME PAYMENT BUT IT'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE KNOW THAT.

CONSIDERING THAT PRIORITIES AND CONSIDERING THAT WE HAVE STARTED MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OF MAKING [INAUDIBLE], IT WILL TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS AND MULTIPLE STEPS, I'M NOT OPEN FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

>> WHAT DO YOU SUPPORT, MANISH?

>> WHAT IS PRESENTED RIGHT NOW IN 2% AND IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE TERM ASK, I WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE IN THE DIRECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

TO ME, THERE'S NOT MUCH TO SUPPORT THAN THIS, I DON'T SEE MUCH OPTION THERE.

I LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THAT DIRECTION.

I DON'T WANT TO SUBSTITUTE IT OF BASE BEING REPLACED BY ONE TIME COMPENSATION OR ONE TIME BONUS OR STATUS.

>> I'M ALIGNED WITH THE BUDGET PRIORITIES AND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN, WHICH IS TAKE CARE OF OUR TEACHERS AND ESPECIALLY THIS TIME WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY AS WELL AS THE HORIZON OF MORE CUTS, AND WHEN THERE'S CUTS, SOMEBODY TAKES A LOAD OF THAT WORK.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISMISS LIGHTLY BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT'S OUR JOB, I THINK.

JUST PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON NOT TALKING ABOUT AT ALL, IS TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

WE MIGHT ULTIMATELY GO IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE THAT IS ALIGNED WITH OUR PRIORITIES, BUT WE HAVE TO SEE THE LANDSCAPE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT IS ALIGNED WITH OUR PRIORITIES, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THE FISCAL RAMIFICATIONS OF WHATEVER WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

I LIKE SEEING AT LEAST WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE? IF WHATEVER PERCENTAGE WE DECIDE ON, IF WE CAN CONVERT THAT TO LIKE A ONE TIME OR SPREAD OUT PAYMENT JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

>> I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT IF THERE WOULD BE A SAVINGS OR WHAT THE BENEFIT TO THAT WOULD BE.

>> I THINK IT WOULD BE THE PROJECTION IN THE FUTURE.

BECAUSE IT IS IF YOU GIVE A 2% INCREASE, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ADD ON TO THAT, WHEREAS IF YOU GAVE A ONE TIME INCREASE, THEN IT RESETS BACK TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND THEN NEXT YEAR YOU WOULD DECIDE WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR NEXT YEAR, AND IT WOULDN'T BE BUILDING ON IT FOR THE FUTURE.

>> WHAT ARE THE APPLICATIONS FOR RETIREMENT?

>> THE PAYMENTS WOULD BE TRS ELIGIBLE NO MATTER WHAT.

>> I KNOW YOU WHEN YOU RETIRE, YOU GET THE AVERAGE OF THE HIGHEST SALARY OF YOUR LAST THREE YEARS. IS THAT CURRENT?

>> THREE OR FIVE YEARS. IT DEPENDS ON [INAUDIBLE].

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE EMPLOYEES WOULD ADVOCATE FOR AN INCREASE BECAUSE AGAIN, IT BUILDS ON IT, AND THAT JUST KEEPS BUILDING THEIR SALARY UP.

>> [OVERLAPPING] ONE TIME FRONT PAYMENT, IT WOULD NOT IMPACT THEIR SALARY NUMBER?

>> IT WOULD BE TRS ELIGIBLE PAYMENT SO IT WOULD GO INTO THEIR COMPENSATION NUMBER, BUT THEN IT WOULD BE THE NEXT YEAR, WHAT WOULD THE BOARD DECIDE TO DO THE NEXT YEAR? BECAUSE IF YOU JUST GAVE THAT SAME 2%, THEN THINK ABOUT IT AS THEIR SALARY NUMBER [NOISE] WOULD BE EVENING OUT AS OPPOSED TO GROWING.

>> AT SOME POINT WE WOULD HAVE TO [INAUDIBLE] THAT UP BECAUSE WE WOULD FALL BEHIND I THINK COMPETITIVELY IN THE AREA.

>> TO MR. HILL'S POINT ABOUT PREVIOUS YEARS AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT WHEN THERE WAS NOT ONE, IT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS TO GET THAT BACK IN LINE AND MS. EICKEL WILL ATTEST TO THAT AND THAT WAS WHAT WE FOUND FROM THAT SALARY STUDY A FEW YEARS AGO THAT REALLY HELPED US FORGE AHEAD.

I WILL ALSO SAY IF NOT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MOST OF THESE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE STAFF,

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>> HAVE WE HEARD ANY RUMORS ABOUT WHAT SURROUNDING DISTRICTS OR OTHER DISTRICTS IN DFW MIGHT BE DOING?

>> THEN MANISH, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> I THINK IT'S ALL OVER THE BOARD.

THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT ARE REALLY FAR BEHIND AND SO, YES, THEY MAY BE GIVING A 3% INCREASE.

THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS THAT ARE GIVING NOTHING, AND THERE'S DISTRICTS ALL IN BETWEEN 1%, 2%, SOME CONSIDERING A ONE TIME.

SOME RAISING THE HEALTH CARE CONTRIBUTION INSTEAD OR DOING SOME MIX. IT'S ALL OVER THE BOARD.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST ASKING MS. DUGAR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HR, SPECIFICALLY WITH REGION 10.

MOST DISTRICTS ARE STILL IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT SHE'S SEEING COMING ACROSS HER EMAILS AND SOME INFORMAL SURVEYS AND THEN MEETING DISCUSSIONS IS BETWEEN 1.5 AND TO 2.5, SOME TOPPING OUT AT THREE IN THE REGION 10 AREA RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE OUR MOST COMPETITIVE GROUP FOR NEXT YEAR.

TO MS. SARKAR'S POINT, SOME DISTRICTS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, HAD TALKED ABOUT NO INCREASES, BUT THE REALITY THAT WE'RE SEEING IS DISTRICTS ARE PROVIDING SOME PAY INCREASE.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ONE TIME PAYMENTS COME THROUGH.

THOSE IN MOST RECENT YEARS HAVE COME OUT OF SOME SR FUNDING AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING, NOT THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE WITH EVEN OUR GENERAL OPERATING FUND.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE SHARING THAT INFORMATION.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> SORRY.

>> I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE RECENT TRS HEALTHCARE PREMIUM INCREASE THAT JUST CAME OUT I THINK LAST WEEK HAS CAUSED SOME OF THOSE DISTRICTS TO RETHINK THEIR PLAN.

WE HAVE THE SEPTEMBER 1, SOME DISTRICTS HAVE.

>> JULY 1.

>> JULY 1 SO THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS BEFORE WE WILL.

WE CERTAINLY CAN BRING SOME OF THAT TO THAT JUNE WORKSHOP.

WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING BY MAY-JUNE FOR SURE.

I KNOW AS MS. EICKEL SAID, MS. DUKE IS HELPING TO COLLECT THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO STAY COMPETITIVE TO WHERE WE ARE, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DIGGING OURSELVES INTO A DEEPER HOLE.

I'M SORRY, MR. SETHI.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT DOING ONE TIME STEP IN DOES HELP IN THE BUDGET.

MY POINT, WHAT I WANT YOU TO CLARIFY, THAT'S NOT THE STEP I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE YEAR 1 OF CUTS.

NOW, IF WE'RE IN YEAR 2 OR 3, AND WE ARE STILL FACING SIMILAR CHALLENGES, THIS WOULD BE THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP ON AS A [INAUDIBLE] ON THE BUDGET, NOT ON THE FIRST YEAR.

ONE OF THE FIRST TOPICS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO BALANCE THAT BUDGET.

I UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS, I UNDERSTAND HOW IT CAN HELP, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME I'M ABLE TO CONSIDER IT.

THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

MAYBE IF YOU ARE IN THIS SITUATION TWO YEARS FROM TODAY, MY OPINION WOULD CHANGE.

NOT YET, SO IT'S NOT SIMPLE.

>> TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS PRESENTED AT THE 2%, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

YOU GUYS, I THINK, AS WE'VE TALKED AROUND THE TABLE, I THINK ANSWERED MY QUESTION OF REALLY, DO WE DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT, BUT THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE? I MAY CALL THIS MY SLIDE BECAUSE I'LL REFER BACK TO IT ON SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO IT.

>> BACK TO THE QUESTION.

DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY THINK AS THE SAME REGARDING COMPENSATION AND THE [INAUDIBLE] YOU HAVE AND [INAUDIBLE] SOME DIRECTION FOR NEXT STEP OF COMPENSATION.

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT I HEARD ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

I WOULD SAY THE ONE TOPIC AS MS. SARKAR MENTIONED THAT WE QUITE HONESTLY HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AS MUCH IS WOULD WE LOOK AT THAT HEALTHCARE CONTRIBUTION.

IT WAS INCREASED TWO YEARS AGO TO THE 350.

AS WE'RE STARTING TO GATHER DATA, WE ARE SEEING THAT THAT IS FALLING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND WITH MANY DISTRICTS REACHING A $400 CONTRIBUTION POINT.

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THAT MIGHT BE AN AREA WHERE I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE WE CONSIDER A ONE TIME PAYMENT IF YOU FELT LIKE A 2% RAISE THAT YOU REALLY WANTED STAFF TO REALIZE THAT 2% NOT COUNTING THAT HEALTHCARE INCREASE AND THEN MAYBE DOING A ONE TIME PAYMENT, EQUAL TO THAT 650 OR THAT $600 INCREASE MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD SO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AT 2% INCREASES, YOU SEE ABOUT 1% OF THAT WOULD GO TO HEALTHCARE INCREASES FOR A TEACHER THAT JUST HAD INSURANCE FOR THEMSELVES.

THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN AND MY PLACE THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'D NEED TO ADVOCATE IF WE CAN'T GO HIGHER OR CAN'T CONSIDER HIGHER THAN THAT 2% AND I UNDERSTAND FOR ALL THE REASONS, I'M JUST ALWAYS GOING TO PUSH A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE AS I BELIEVE TRUSTEE MATTHEW MENTIONED, WE ARE ASKING OUR STAFF, ESPECIALLY OUR TEACHERS TO DO MORE AS WE ARE STAFFING AT THOSE HIGHEST RATIOS, LOOKING AT POSSIBLY COMING TO YOU GUYS WITH SOME WAIVERS NEXT YEAR THROUGH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PROCESS, PUSHING THOSE CLASS NUMBERS UP INTO THE 21, 22, 23 RANGE AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.

I JUST THINK FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, ANY LITTLE BIT WE CAN DO TO HONOR THAT IN THIS TIME OF INFLATION AND INCREASED COSTS, NOT JUST WITH HEALTH CARE THAT'S MY SOAPBOX AND MY MOMENT TO ADVOCATE FOR ALL OF THAT MOVING FORWARD.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT GIVES CLARITY TO WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, BUT THANKS FOR A FEW MINUTES [LAUGHTER] TO SHARE THAT.

>> I THINK PRESIDENT KAVANS YOU ARE RIGHT, THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME THINGS THAT COME UP LATER HERE THAT COULD HELP TO MOVE THE NEEDLE.

WE OFTEN SAY WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE, IN SOME CASES, TOO MANY EMPLOYEES FOR WHAT OUR REVENUES ARE TO SUPPORT AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO THAT IS ANOTHER METHOD OF BEING ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE AND PROVIDE THOSE INCREASES, AND IMPACT THE BUDGET POSITIVELY.

>> MISS [INAUDIBLE] DID YOU SAY ONE TIME INCREASE TO 600 OR 350.

>> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DISTRICTS WE'RE HEARING THAT EITHER FOR THE CURRENT YEAR THAT WE'RE IN OR MOVING FORWARD ARE INCREASING THE MONTHLY DISTRICT CONTRIBUTION TO $400 SO THAT IS ONE OPTION OR CONSIDERING INCREASING OURS FROM THE 350.

THAT WOULD IMPACT CURRENTLY ABOUT 63% OF OUR STAFF WHO GET INSURANCE A DIFFERENT OPTION GOING BACK TO THE DISCUSSION THAT PRESIDENT KAVANS OPENED UP WAS A ONE TIME PAYMENT, IS WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING A 2% RAISE AND THEN A ONE TIME PAYMENT AT WHATEVER POINT IN THE YEAR, SEPTEMBER WHEN HEALTHCARE COST INCREASE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES A ONE TIME PAYMENT OF 650 TO COVER THAT 11% INCREASE IN THE ANNUAL COST OF INSURANCE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

IN MY MIND, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT A ONE TIME PAYMENT SO THEY'RE REALLY REALIZING A 2% RAISE TO COVER ALL THEIR OTHER EXPENSES OUTSIDE OF HEALTHCARE.

WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT ALSO GIVES EVERY STAFF MEMBER EVEN IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR HEALTHCARE THROUGH US THAT SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT TO USE FOR HEALTHCARE OUTSIDE OF OUR OPTIONS OR OTHER EXPENSES THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YES. YES. I THINK BOTH NUMBERS AND I'M TO ROUGH CALCULATION IN MY MIND.

BOTH NUMBERS COULD BE VERY DIFFERENT.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS OPTION OF BOTH, BASE INCREASE FROM 350-400 WOULD LOOK LIKE.

WHAT'S THE ONE TIME PAYMENT OF 600 WILL LOOK LIKE I'D LIKE TO SEE BOTH OPTIONS ON THAT.

>> WILL ONE TIME PAYMENT BE RESTRICTED TO THOSE ON HEALTHCARE OR WOULD THAT BE TO CROSS THE BOARD TO EVERYBODY.

>> IN MY MIND, I WAS SAYING I MEAN, YOU COULD MAKE THAT DECISION.

I WAS OFFERING IT UP TO EVERYBODY BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE EVEN IF YOU GET HEALTHCARE OUTSIDE OF OUR OPTIONS, COSTS IN GENERAL ARE GOING UP, THAT HONORS EVERYBODY BUT AGAIN, YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT IN EITHER WAY.

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>> I CHECK ON THAT AS IF WE GIVE TO ONE, WE GIVE TO ALL AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU CAN USE IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, IF YOU DON'T USE OUR HEALTHCARE, BUT YOU PROBABLY HAVE RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS.

I WOULD JUST AMPLIFY WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, I THINK SO WELL HERE.

IF WE SAY THIS IS ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES, THEN THAT IS PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING FILTER AND SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK THE TALK, YOU HAVE TO WALK THE WALK, PARTICULARLY ON THAT.

I WOULD JUST ADD THAT YES, I THINK WE MUST LOOK AT SOME SORT OF BASE COMPENSATION RAISE AND THEN YOU JUST SAID IT SO WELL THAT THE FIRST 1% OF THAT IS BASICALLY GOING TO RISING HEALTHCARE COSTS SO I THINK I WOULD ADVOCATE DOING SOMETHING MORE THAN 1% JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MAKING PEOPLE WHOLE MOVING INTO THE NEXT YEAR.

JUST MY BAN BUT THAT I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME, WE REALLY CAN BE GIVING ANYTHING REALLY OVER TWO, HONESTLY SO IN THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU'RE BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR SO I THINK ANYTHING OVER ONE, BUT KIND OF MAXING OUT AT TWO.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS TOO COMPLICATED MOVING FORWARD, A BASE RAISE IS PRETTY EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

WE CAN TREND THAT OUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

YOU START DOING ONE TIME PAYMENTS IT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER TO ME TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT THE DOTS ALTHOUGH I REALLY DID LIKE THE KIND OF UNIQUENESS OF MAYBE LOOKING AT IT TO ADDRESS A RISING HEALTHCARE SO I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS IN THAT AREA.

>> MR. SETH, HE'S STILL WITH US HE HAD TO STEP AWAY BUT LIKE I SAID, WE JUST AGAIN, NOT WANT TO RUSH ANYBODY, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MOVING ALONG AND RESPECTING YOUR REQUEST SO I GUESS WE'RE KIND OF IN AN AGREEMENT.

I'M HEARING THAT TWO IS THE MAX, ONE IS THE MINIMUM, AND THEN THE OPTIONS FOR THOSE ONE TIME PIECES.

>> WE CAN HAVE THOSE NUMBERS FOR THE NEXT WORKSHOP.

THE NEXT SECTION, WE'RE JOINED BY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HR, MISS DUKE, CAN SHE MISS HA PUT THESE TWO SLIDES TOGETHER TO GIVE YOU SOME BASIC TRENDS FOR ATTRITION.

>> YES, SIR. PER YOUR REQUEST, WE PUT TOGETHER THE TRENDS FOR ELEMENTARY TEACHERS HERE, YOU'LL SEE ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF YOUR CHART, THE DATES, YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER TOTAL OF ELEMENTARY TEACHERS, AND WE'VE LISTED THE NUMBER OF RESIGNATIONS, AND OF COURSE, WHICH GIVES YOU THE ATTRITION RATE.

YOU CAN SEE IT RANGES ANYWHERE FROM 9% TO 13% THERE AND WHEN YOU TAKE THE AVERAGE OF THOSE, IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S RUNNING AROUND 49 RESIGNATIONS PER ELEMENTARY TEACHER AND WITH SECONDARY, IF YOU'LL TURN THE SLIDE, PLEASE [OVERLAPPING] PERFECT.

FOR SECONDARY, SAME THING YOU'VE GOT YOUR YEARS, YOUR TOTAL OF TEACHERS, NUMBER OF RESIGNATIONS, WHICH LEADS TO YOUR PERCENTAGE RATE AGAIN, THAT IS RANGING ANYWHERE FROM 9% TO 15%.

AGAIN, IT'S ARROWING WHAT LOOKS TO BE THE STATE AVERAGES AS WELL.

WHEN YOU TAKE THE AVERAGES OF THE SECONDARY RANGE, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE AVERAGING AROUND 67 RESIGNATIONS PER THE SECONDARY LEVEL.

WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, MOVING FOLKS OR CONSOLIDATIONS OR THINGS LIKE THAT, WE THINK THAT THERE WILL BE POSITIONS AND PLACES FOR INDIVIDUALS TO GO.

>> IS THIS HOW WE'RE TRENDING FOR THIS YEAR?

>> YES, IT IS. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT AROUND 105. WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE NUMBERS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE RIGHT ON TARGET.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, CHS-9.

WHEN WAS THAT OPEN? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ADDED TO STAFFING.

>> IT WAS 17.

>> NO, IT WAS LATER THAN THAT 18, 19?

>> OH, YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> YES. THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WE'RE CLEAR BECAUSE I CAN [OVERLAPPING].

>> YEAH.

>> IT PEAKED ABOUT THE YEAR I WOULD EXPECT IT TO AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'RE WITHIN A IT'S INCREASED OVER TIME.

GIVEN THE ENVIRONMENT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT, BUT WE'RE IN A PRETTY DECENT LITTLE HOLD STEADY VARIANCE HERE.

>> LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A A POP AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

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THAT'S WHAT I WAS GATHERING FROM THAT DATA.

>> OBJECT TO TRUE.

>> DEFINITELY POP SECONDARY.

>> YEAH.

>> ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO SEE ON THIS OR?

>> AS A SIDE NOTE, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THE STATE NUMBERS BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ALL THIS AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RETENTION.

I'M SORRY. I WONDER IN OUR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS IF WE'RE DOING IT, HOW ARE WE DOING WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

THE STATE NUMBERS WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> I ACTUALLY DO HAVE THOSE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT PUTTING THEM UP THERE, BUT THEY ARE RANGING ANYWHERE FROM THE SAME 9.3% TO HERE'S A 13.4 AND 22, 23.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S RIGHT THERE IN COMPARISON WITH THE STATE.

>> DO WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF THE DISTRICTS AROUND US?

>> I CAN GET THOSE. SURE.

>> THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO INFORM COMPOSITION.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK A PIECE TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, NOT THE REASON FOR ATTRITION, BUT IF THE THOUGHT IS MAKING SURE THERE'S PLACEMENT FOR ALL STAFF DEPENDING UPON WHAT DECISIONS ARE MADE AND TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

DIFFERENT CERTIFICATIONS CROSS OVER DIFFERENT LINES.

IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT SECONDARY ELEMENTARY VERSUS SECONDARY ELEMENTARY BEING PRE-K THROUGH FIFTH GRADE, SECONDARY BEING SIX THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

THERE ARE MANY CERTIFICATIONS, EVEN THE GENERAL WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ELEMENTARY CERTIFICATION AT THIS POINT IS EARLY CHILDHOOD THROUGH SIXTH GRADE.

MOST TEACHERS THAT ARE TEACHING AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN OUR DISTRICT WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE OR ALSO ELIGIBLE TO TEACH SIXTH GRADE AT OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS.

THERE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL CERTIFICATION THAT'S FOUR THROUGH EIGHT.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CERTIFICATIONS THAT RUN SEVENTH GRADE THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

WHEN YOU START TO GET INTO SOME OF THE FINE ARTS AND SPECIAL EDUCATION AREAS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT CERTIFICATIONS THAT DO RUN PRE-K THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS, THOSE CERTIFICATIONS ALSO RUN PRE-K THROUGH 12TH GRADE.

WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STAFF AND WHERE STAFF CAN ULTIMATELY TEACH, WHAT COURSES, WHAT GRADE LEVELS, THERE IS A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT EVEN HAVE ONE STANDARD CERTIFICATE.

MANY OF OUR EDUCATORS DO HOLD CERTIFICATIONS IN A NUMBER OF AREAS AS WELL, WHICH GIVES THEM AND AS A DISTRICT FLEXIBILITY FOR WHAT THEIR TEACHING ASSIGNMENTS AND PLACES CAN BE FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR.

>> MISS ICEL QUICK QUESTION AND IN REGARDS TO LOOKING AT COMPARISON DATA IN THIS AREA.

IS IT BETTER TO LOOK AT COMPARISON DATA FOR REGION 10 OR 11 OR BOTH WHEN TALKING ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, LOOKING AT ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY?

>> I WOULD SAY BASED ON WHERE WE SIT, WE ARE RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF REGION 10 AND REGION 11.

WE'VE BEEN UP TO GRAPEVINE COLVILLE AND HEB AND THEY'RE REGION 11.

WE ALSO I THINK LOUISVILLE IS ALSO REGION 11.

BUT THEN WE ALSO BORDER IRVINE AND CARLETON FARMERS BRANCH AND THOSE ARE REGION TEN.

I THINK WE'RE IN A REAL UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT SALARIES AND ATTRITION RATES FOR BOTH OF THOSE AREAS BECAUSE WE DO DRAW STAFF MORE FROM WHAT YOU'D CONSIDER MAYBE THE DALLAS PART OF DFW, BUT WE'RE EQUALLY CLOSE TO FORT WORTH AND AND THE DISTRICTS THAT REGION 11, WHICH IS LOCATED IN FORT WORTH SERVES.

THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.

>> PERFECT. AGREE. GOOD IDEA.

>> JOHN AND BILLY.

>> FOR THE CONTEXT OF OUR BUDGET DISCUSSION, HOW DO THESE NUMBERS IMPACT THE BUDGET?

>> THESE ARE ATTRITION RATES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE EITHER RETIRING OR RESIGNING.

THEN TYPICALLY WE ARE REHIRING PEOPLE TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS IF NEED BE.

>> IF IT GOES UP OR DOWN, DOES IT REALLY IMPACT, WHAT IT LEADS TO?

>> IT IMPACTS THE AMOUNT OF HIRING THAT HR IS DOING.

IT IMPACTS OUR WORKLOAD AND IT IMPACTS THAT VACANCY RATE.

WHEN WE HAVE HIGH VACANCIES, THEN IT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TO BUDGET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SALARY THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE EARNING, BUT WE TYPICALLY WORK THOSE THINGS THROUGH OUT THE YEAR SO THAT WE'VE GOT A MUCH BETTER BUDGET BY AUGUST. THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T NEED TO KNOW THIS BY CAMPUS, BUT COULD YOU JUST TELL US, BECAUSE I KNOW OUR ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES ARE ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SIZES AND HAVE DIFFERENT ENROLLMENT NUMBERS.

BUT WHAT'S THE RANGE OF TEACH THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES?

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>> HOW MANY TEACHER? [OVERLAPPING]

>> CLASS CLASSROOM TEACHERS.

>> CLASSROOM TEACHER.

>> IT VARIES BY CAMPUS AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T NEED TO KNOW BY EVERY CAMPUS, BUT I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT RANGE IS OF THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES.

>> YOU WOULD LIKE NOT ONLY GRADE LEVEL CLASSROOM, BUT SPECIALS TEACHERS, ANY?

>> ANYBODY THAT COULD BE IMPACTED IF WE MADE ANY DECISIONS TO CONSOLIDATE.

IT JUST WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WE HAVE FAVOR FROM 40-80, LIKE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT HAVING DONE SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO CONTEXTUALIZE THIS DATA.

>> TEACHERS, OUR SMALLEST CAMPUS WOULD HAVE ABOUT, LET ME ADD SPECIALS IN, ABOUT 30.

THAT'S TEACHERS THAT'S NOT CONSIDERING ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND OUR LARGEST IT PROBABLY RANGES FROM 30-40.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL.

>> YEAH.

>> WE'RE GOOD?

>> WE HAVE THE OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> THE NEXT TOPIC IS THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION.

AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS, BASICALLY, THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO ASK THE VOTERS TO APPROVE A HIGHER TAX RATE.

AND THAT HAS TO HAPPEN ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT.

THE DISTRICT CURRENTLY HAS 3.17 AVAILABLE PENNIES.

AND IT WOULD RESULT IN ABOUT $2.4 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR CISD.

I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE EFFICIENCY AUDIT, AND THAT HAS BEEN SCHEDULED, THAT'S IN THE WORKS, AND THEN I'LL LET MS. BROWNE TALK ABOUT THE SURVEY.

>> WE'RE ALSO IN THE WORKS OF DEVELOPING A SURVEY OUT TO OUR VOTERS.

IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID FOR THE BOND SURVEY, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE USED THE SAME COMPANY FOR THE BOND SURVEY, THEY NOW KNOW OUR COMMUNITY ENOUGH AND THEY'RE ABLE TO ADJUST.

IF YOU REMEMBER LAST TIME WE WERE AFRAID THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET ENOUGH PHONE SURVEY RECIPIENTS THAT WE SENT OUT THE POSTCARDS AND THEY COULD DO THEIR SURVEY ONLINE, AND THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COST.

SO THEY NOW KNOW OUR COMMUNITY THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN GET ENOUGH THROUGH THE PHONE SURVEY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO DO ON THE ADDITIONAL COST OF THE POSTCARDS AND THE ONLINE SURVEY.

REMEMBER, THIS IS A RANDOM SAMPLING.

SO THEY'RE NOT CALLING EVERYBODY.

THIS IS A RANDOM SAMPLING.

IT IS STATISTICALLY ACCURATE SURVEY THAT WE CAN GLEAN THE INFORMATION AND REALLY THIS WOULD JUST GIVE YOU INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THE RANDOM SAMPLING OF OUR VOTERS FEEL ABOUT REALLY THE IDEA OF A TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION, AND POSSIBLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE WILL TEST WILL BE THE QUESTION WE'RE ABOUT TO ASK YOU, WHAT DO YOU WANT THIS MONEY TO GO TOWARDS? WHAT ARE THE LAW USED TO SAY THAT WE HAD TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THE MONEY ON.

THE LAW HAS CHANGED RECENTLY.

AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT WE'RE STILL ENCOURAGED TO DO THAT TO LET OUR VOTERS KNOW THAT INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S THE SURVEY.

WE'RE IN THE WORKS. IT WILL HAPPEN THIS SUMMER.

>> I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS THAT BY ASKING FOR 3.17 PENNIES IF THE DISTRICT IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS RATE IN THE DISTRICT IS COMPRESSED EVERY TIME VALUES GROW MORE THAN THE STATE AVERAGE.

AND CISD IS NOT AT THE FLOOR.

SO WE STILL HAVE COMPRESSION TO GO.

THERE ARE SOME DISTRICTS AROUND US THAT ARE ALREADY AT THE FLOOR OF THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE.

SO IF THE DISTRICTS VALUES GROW BY 8%, THERE ACTUALLY COULD BE A DECREASE IN THE TAX RATE EVEN BY APPROVING A 3.17 PENNY INCREASE.

SO I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KNOW MORE OF ONCE JULY GETS HERE, WE GET CERTIFIED VALUES, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, TAX RATE, WHAT COMPRESSION WILL HAPPEN, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT.

THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WILL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE AT THAT TIME.. THOSE 3.17 PENNIES ARE AVAILABLE.

THEY'RE COPPER PENNIES, SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO RECAPTURE.

AND IT WOULD ON A $16 BILLION TAX BASE, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $5 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL TAXES THAT WERE COLLECTED AND CISD WOULD KEEP ABOUT 2.4 MILLION.

>> DOES THAT CAP US OUT ON WHAT WE CAN ON ALL OF OUR EXTRA PENNIES?

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>> YES. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BRING US TO THE MAXIMUM.

AND THEN REMEMBER THAT IF THE LEGISLATURES INCREASE THE BASIC ALLOTMENT, THERE'S A METHODOLOGY BUT THEN IT COMPRESSES THOSE COPPER PENNIES AND WOULD THEN FORCE THE DISTRICT TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO ANOTHER VATRE IF THEY WANTED TO GET BACK UP TO FULL.

BUT IT WOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO COMPRESS AND SO IF YOU'RE NOT REACHING FOR THOSE PENNIES, YOU WOULD HAVE MORE PENNIES TO ASK FOR THE NEXT TIME.

>> THEN HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PENNIES DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR TAX RATE, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY?

>> WE HAVE 13.83. IT WAS 17, IF YOU'LL REMEMBER.

>> YEAH.

>> THEN THERE WERE FOUR THAT WERE ALLOTTED IN GOLDEN PENNIES TO EVERY DISTRICT, THEN IN 2010, WAS THE TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION THAT ADDED 13 PENNIES AND THEN IN 2019, IS WHEN THEY CHANGED THE RULES ON THAT, COMPRESSED THE COPPER PENNIES AND THEN ALLOTTED AN ADDITIONAL TWO GOLDEN PENNIES.

WE CONVERTED SOME COPPER PENNIES TO GOLDEN DURING THAT YEAR.

SO WE'RE AT 13.83.

>> CLOSE TO 317, WOULD BE WHAT WE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND. GOT YOU.

>> THAT WOULD GET US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BASICALLY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?

>> IF WE CALL FOR THE VATRE AND THE VATRE PASSES, IS THAT THE TIME WE WOULD KNOW IF WE WOULD REDUCE OUR TAX RATE OVERALL?

>> NO. SO WE WOULD KNOW THAT BY JULY 25, WE'LL GET OUR CERTIFIED VALUES, AND THAT WILL TELL US HOW MUCH OUR VALUES GROW.

WE SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION TO TEA.

TEA THEN CALCULATES THE COMPRESSION ON THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT BACK TO US I BELIEVE BY AUGUST THE 5TH.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT IT IS BY JULY THE 25TH.

THEN THAT IS THE RATE THAT WE MUST TAX AT.

THAT'S WHEN THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO CALL THE VATRE IF THEY WANTED TO INCREASE THAT RATE BY THE 3.17.

>> THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE LIKE FURTHER COMPRESSION AFTER WE WROTE IT?

>> NO. WE WOULD KNOW WHAT THE COMPRESSION WAS BY THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST.

>> OKAY.

>> SO THAT COULD ALL BE CONSIDERED.

>> REALLY WITH JUST THE COLLECTION OF INFORMATION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, DOES THIS QUESTION REALLY STAND THE REASONS THAT WE WOULD CHOOSE IT OR ARE WE LIKE IN A WAIT AND SEE WE NEED THE REST OF THE INFORMATION PLACE RIGHT NOW?

>> THAT MAY BE AND THEN I THINK IT WILL BE ONCE IT'S CALLED, THEN WE'LL NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY THE REASONS FOR THAT.

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TEST SOME OF THOSE AND ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE SURVEY, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW NOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.

SO I CAN PUT THOSE ASK QUESTIONS.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR COMPENSATION, RETENTION OF HIGHLY QUALIFIED STAFF OR IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY.

THOSE ARE TWO THAT WE SEE CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE STATE, THOSE REASONS.

>> WE ALSO KNOW THAT THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO ABSORB ABOUT 75% OF THE COST OF THE ARMED SECURITY GUARDS ON EACH CAMPUS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE STATE FUNDING FOR THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE A GREAT USE FOR THOSE DOLLARS.

>> BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE REQUIREMENT ANYMORE, BUT IT IS HIGHLY SUGGESTED AS A BEST PRACTICE, AND IT IS REALLY I THINK IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DO IS OUR TRANSPARENCY WOULD ENGAGE WITH THEIR COMMUNITY.

IT JUST ALSO GIVES MS. BROWNE SOME DIRECTION TO HELP WITH THAT SURVEY AND THEN ALSO TWO, AS A POINT OF CLARITY.

REMEMBER THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT FOR THE VATRE IS SEPARATE FROM THE EVALUATION TOOL THAT'S BEING DONE BY THE ACTION TEAM 711.

>> TO ME, SAFETY AND SECURITY SEEMS LIKE A NO BRAINER TO TEST BECAUSE SO MUCH OF IT'S NOT FUNDED, AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONGOING SAFETY AND SECURITY EXPENSES.

TO ME THAT AND AND IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT SALARIES AND BENEFITS OR STAFF COMPENSATION.

BUT TO ME, THOSE ARE TWO BIG AREAS WHERE WE EITHER HAVE A NEED OR IT WILL LIKELY CONTINUE TO BE UNATTENDED.

>> I'D SAY THAT THAT AS WELL AS STAFF RETENTION SUPPORT STAFF ALSO.

IF WE'RE PLANNING FOR WHATEVER CUTS THERE MIGHT BE, WE KNOW SOME OF THOSE MIGHT INCLUDE LIKE THE NEED FOR MORE SUPPORT STAFF,

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BUT WE DO ADD SOME SUPPORT STAFF NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE VATRE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN EXTRA BUCKET, EVEN IF YOU USE EVADER MONEY FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, THAT FREES UP THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING ON SAFE SECURITY TO RELOCATE SORTS, HELPING TEACHERS IN THE CLASSROOM WHEN WE'RE ASKING MORE OF THEM.

>> [BACKGROUND].

>> I THINK SO.

>> GENERALLY, PROBABLY IT DOES, BUT I THINK IT JUST ADDS A LITTLE MORE CLARITY SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT IT IS, AND WE DO GET THOSE SAME QUESTIONS FROM OUR STAFF.

THEY REALIZE THAT POSITIONS ARE BEING ELIMINATED THROUGH ATTRITION, AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR ME AND MY CLASSROOM ROLE, AND SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS HAVE OFFERED SUPPORT IN THE PAST.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE NOW ON THE CAMPUS LEVEL MOVING FORWARD JUST TO GET THE POINT OF CLARITY.

>> ONE OF THE VALUES WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT HERE IS IN TERMS OF RETENTION, SUPPORTING TEACHERS, PROVIDING THOSE AVENUES.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST SELLING POINT FOR THIS, THIS EXTRA FUNDING CAN HELP US DO THAT IN THE NEW ENVIRONMENT FOR TEACHERS.

>> DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT THE DATA?

>> NO. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WAIT AND SEE MODE ON A FEW THINGS TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION, BUT I WILL SAY FOR ME WHEN I GO BACK TO MY EXHIBIT SLIDE, THERE'S AN INDICATION OF THIS IS AN AND, THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

>> THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BE COVERED BY CURRICULUM TEAM, DR. BROOKS, MS. KEMPER, AND DR. [INAUDIBLE]

>> AS WE'RE JUMPING INTO SOME OF THE PROGRAM SPECIFICS AS A DISTRICT, AND MS. KEMPER IS JOINING US THIS EVENING, THANK YOU, TO TALK ABOUT OUR IB PROGRAM AND SOME OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, AND NOT ONLY OUR ELEMENTARY, BUT OUR SECONDARY IB AT THIS TIME WITHIN THAT.

THEN WE'LL TRANSITION INTO TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS BEING A DUAL LANGUAGE AS WELL, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE OVERVIEW HERE OF SOME OF THE IB PIECES THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE ARE FIVE BIG MAIN AREAS THAT INCUR COSTS THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE PROGRAM AS WE PARTICIPATE.

THEY'RE LISTED ON THE SCREEN.

THAT'S THE ANNUAL SCHOOL FEE, ANY VISIT FEES WHEN IB REPRESENTATIVES COME FOR EVALUATIONS AND OTHER REASONS LIKE THAT.

STUDENT ASSESSMENT FEES, THAT'S AT THE DIPLOMA PROGRAM LEVEL LIKE WE HAVE A CHS.

BY-REQUEST SERVICE FEES IF WE WANT SOMEONE TO COME IN AND DO SOME SPECIFIC WORK WITH US AND THEN PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

WE DO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE DID COMPLETE OR RECEIVE AN OUTSIDE REPORT FROM GIBSON IN 2023 THAT HAD INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO OUR IB PROGRAM IN COPPELL.

SOME OF THOSE FEES THAT WERE LISTED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, IF WE WERE TO LAUNCH A PRIMARY YEARS PROGRAM, THE CURRENT FEE WITH IB IS $9,260, AND YOU CAN SEE THE RATE GOES UP AS THE CHILDREN GET OLDER.

THAT SCHOOL FEE IS REQUIRED ONCE YOU HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE IB ORGANIZATION.

UNDER THAT IS THE TABLE ABOUT THE EVALUATION VISIT FEE.

IT'S ON A FIVE YEAR CYCLE LIKE CHS WILL BE FACING THIS, THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEY ARE OFFERING A VARIETY OF OPTIONS THAT WE CAN TAKE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BUT THEY'LL BE A FEE JUST TO MAINTAIN OUR STATUS IN THE PROGRAM.

THE IMPORTANT PART TO CONSIDER IS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

I'VE TALKED TO MANDY AT PINKERTON ABOUT THIS, AND THAT IT IS MUCH MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO OUR BUDGET TO BRING SOMEONE IN TO TRAIN, AND THAT WOULD BE $350 PER STAFF MEMBER PLUS THE TRAVEL EXPENSES FOR THE WORKSHOP LEADER.

BUT JUST A LITTLE NOTE TO REMEMBER THAT WE DO NEED TO MAINTAIN THAT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT UNDERSTANDING OF TEACHING IN AN IB SCHOOL.

>> IS THAT EVERY YEAR, THE PD?

>> NO. WELL, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF CONTINUATION, YES, BUT THIS WOULD BE LIKE AN INITIAL BIG ON-BOARDING POTENTIALLY IF YOU HIRE A NEW STAFF OR OPEN NEW SCHOOLS.

IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED OVER NECESSARILY WITHIN A YEAR.

I'M MAKING SURE SOMETIMES YOU CAN HIRE EDUCATORS THAT HAVE BEEN IN IB PROGRAMS OR HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT TRAINING BEFORE THAT IT COULD VARY BASED ON THAT.

>> THAT'S A NUMBER, I GUESS THEY CAN CHANGE.

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>> I'D SAY IT COULD VARY YEAR TO YEAR, AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT PINKERTON IN GENERAL, THEY'VE KEPT A LOT OF CONSISTENCY WITH A LOT OF THEIR STAFF MEMBERS WITHIN THE LAST PROBABLY TWO YEARS.

THEY'VE HAD A BIG TURNOVER FOR THEIR CAMPUS PER SE.

KNOWING THAT COMING IN, THEY'VE HAD TO LOOK AT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO INCREASE THIS TRAINING AND HAVE THAT? TO SAY THERE'S A LUMP SUM THAT YOU'RE THROWING OUT EVERY YEAR BASED ON THAT, IT'S A HIT OR MISS BASED ON HOW MANY NEW STAFF MEMBERS YOU HAVE.

>> I KNOW YOU GUYS MAY NOT HAVE THAT TAPE.

COULD WE SEE MAYBE THE LAST FOUR, FIVE YEARS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE?

>> THE MAXIMUM RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE JUST TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY AT PINKERTON NEEDED TO BE TRAINED, IT WOULD BE ABOUT $13,000.

I THINK THAT THE COST IS REALLY MORE ABOUT THREE EVERY YEAR BECAUSE OF STAFF THAT'S COMING IN.

>> RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT.

WHAT IS THAT IMPACTING YOUR BUDGET ON AN ONGOING BASIS? I KNOW IT VARIES.

THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, I KNOW IT'S BEEN AT PINKERTON FOR A BIT NOW.

WE'VE BEEN SEEING AN AVERAGE OF 3,000 A YEAR.

HOW ARE WE PLANNING FOR THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT?

>> I BELIEVE THAT PINKERTON IS ACTUALLY BEEN GETTING THAT FUNDED SOME THROUGH THE PTO, SO THE DISTRICT HAS NOT BEEN ABSORBING THAT.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, IF WE DO HAVE TEACHERS THERE THAT HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE CERTIFICATION?

>> I DO KNOW THAT THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AS MUCH VIRTUAL LEARNING AS POSSIBLE AND NOT A HIGH TURNOVER RATE AMONGST THE TEAM THERE AT CHS.

WE CAN DO THE RESEARCH AND BRING YOU BACK THE EXACT NUMBERS THOUGH.

I DO KNOW THOUGH IN THE '24, '25 SCHOOL YEAR, THEY WILL BE FACING THAT PROGRAM EVALUATION VISIT.

IT WOULD BE THAT FAR LEFT CALL, THAT ONE PROGRAM COST.

>> THAT IS [OVERLAPPING] OH, I'M SORRY.

>> IT'D BE NICE JUST TO KNOW AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL AND THE SECONDARY LEVEL WHAT'S A FIVE YEAR COST? LIKE IN BETWEEN EVALUATIONS, WHAT'S A FIVE YEAR CYCLE COST FOR US TO KEEP TO KEEP THE PROGRAM? MAYBE THAT WOULD SIMPLIFY THINGS A LITTLE BIT SINCE THAT'S IB'S RHYTHM. SORRY, DAVID. I DIDN'T MEAN TO.

>> NO. I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY ON THE EVALUATION.

THIS IS LIKE A EITHER, OR.

THEY'RE NOT DOING ON-SITE REMOTE HIGHER.

>> CORRECT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO PAY ONE OF THOSE FEES. NOT ALL COMBINED.

>> BUT YOU DO HAVE AN ACCREDITATION FEE EVERY YEAR?

>> YEAH, AND IS THAT THE ANNUAL FEE THEN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT?

>> YES. CHS THIS COMING SCHOOL YEAR WOULD PAY THE 12,660 AND BECAUSE WE'RE AT THAT FIVE YEAR CYCLE, THEY'LL ALSO HAVE TO PAY 3,000 SOMETHING PROGRAM EVALUATION FEE.

>> IS IT THE ANNUAL SCHOOL FEES AT THE TOP, SO EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU GET THE BOTTOM?

>> YES.

>> ONE OF THOSE AT THE BOTTOM?

>> YES.

>> ONE IS AT THE BOTTOM.

>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING AT. I PROBABLY WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

EVERY YEAR, WE PAY THE TOP.

>> FOR THE MIDDLE YEARS PROGRAM? WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE BREAKING IT DOWN, THAT'S THE ONGOING COST TO HAVE IB STAMPED ON THE DOOR, CIRCLE PLAQUE OR WHATEVER WE'VE GOT.

THEN EVERY FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GETTING ONE OF THESE COSTS AT THE BOTTOM.

>> A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION ON THIS CHART.

ONE PROGRAM, TWO PROGRAMS ON THE EVALUATION.

IF OUR PINKERTON AND CHS WERE ON THE SAME CYCLE, WOULD WE GET THE DISCOUNT ON THE EVALUATION? BECAUSE IT'S TWO PROGRAMS, IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS READING THAT RIGHT.

[BACKGROUND] I'LL GO FIND OUT.

ANY ACTION OR SPECIFICS, I KNOW WE'LL DO THE TAKEAWAY TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT THAT INFORMATION RIGHT THERE FOR THAT? ANYTHING ELSE ON THE PIECE FOR IB?

>> RELATED TO IB, I'D LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A LOTTERY SYSTEM TO GET IN TO PINKERTON.

THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE IS ELEMENTARY, IS IT? I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE APPLIED?

>> ISN'T IT HALF AND HALF IN ZONED AND LOTTERY?

>> I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S EXACTLY HALF AND HALF, BUT WE CAN GET HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT APPLY.

>> VERSUS ZONED THERE.

>> JUST WANT TO GAUGE THE INTEREST IN THE PROGRAM OVERALL.

>> SURE.

>> MY YOUNGEST WAS AT PINKERTON WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM,

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IS THE PROCESS STILL A THREE YEAR CERTIFICATION PROCESS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL BEFORE YOU BECOME OFFICIAL IB? HOW DO THE COSTS DURING THAT CERTIFICATION PROCESS LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE ANNUAL ONGOING COSTS?

>> YOU DON'T PAY THE ANNUAL UNTIL YOU ARE OFFICIAL.

THE THREE YEARS IS AN APPROXIMATE.

IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO IN TWO YEARS, BUT THEY DID RECOMMEND THE THREE YEARS IS MORE OF A BALLPARK TO AIM FOR.

YOU WILL NEED TO GET THE TRAINING FOR THE LEADERSHIP STAFF INITIALLY, AND THEN THINK ABOUT A TRAINER OF TRAINERS LIKE A TRICKLE DOWN.

THEN ANY SITE VISITS YOU'D WANT TO TAKE THEM ON AS THEY'RE EXPLORING THINGS AND ALL THE CURRICULUM WORK AROUND ALL THAT.

I COULD GET A BALLPARK OR I CAN GET YOU THE NUMBERS ON WHAT WE PAID AT PINKERTON THOSE FIRST FEW YEARS.

>> I WOULD LIKE THAT THOUGH, AND WITH THE PROCESS COST BEFORE WE WERE OFFICIAL.

I KNOW THAT'S A BIT OF A POST-MORTEM AND MAY BE OUTDATED, BUT AT LEAST IT COULD GIVE US A FRAME OF REFERENCE.

BUT IF YOU MOVED TO PINKERTON SOMEWHERE ELSE AND EXPANDED THE PROGRAM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS.

>> I'VE SPOKEN TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES THROUGH THE TEXAS IBO ORGANIZATION, AND THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION THAT MANY DISTRICTS ARE FACING IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE NEED TO POTENTIALLY MOVE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S LOOSENING A LITTLE BIT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE CAN PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT TO A NEW ADDRESS.

WE CAN PICK IT UP AND MOVE IT AND THE SCHOOL CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME.

THERE WILL NEED TO BE RESEARCH INTO HOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE STAFF WOULD NEED TO REMAIN, BUT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE THAT PROFESSIONAL LEARNING COMPONENT AND THE ANNUAL FEE.

BUT THEY'RE BECOMING A LITTLE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, AND YES, IT'S DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY THAT CAN BE DONE.

>> FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, IF WE DID MOVE THE ELEMENTARY IB PROGRAM TO A FOOTPRINT ELEMENTARY, COULD WE FIND OUT SOME IDEA ABOUT A RANGE OF WHAT THOSE COSTS MIGHT BE? KNOWING WE WOULD NEED TO TRAIN SOME STAFF, EVEN IF YOU MOVED TO THE WHOLE PROGRAM AND EVERYBODY STAYED, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AS IT STANDS TO FILL A FOOTPRINT ELEMENTARY, RIGHT?

>> IT'S WITHIN THAT POINT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IB? [OVERLAPPING] HOLD ON.

REAL QUICK. YOU'LL COME NEXT.

>> THE FIRST ONE IS I LOVE THAT THE PTOS ARE ASSISTING IN THIS, SO THAT'S JUST A TAKEAWAY.

THEN MY SECOND IS, WE'RE LOOKING ALL IN AT WHAT $30,000.

WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS 30-50 MAX.

I LOVE THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PAY ATTENTION TO THE PENNIES AND WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO THE DOLLARS, BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT IMPACT OVERALL TO EVERYTHING, I JUST THINK IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOT A HUGE IMPACT TO OUR BUDGET WHEN IT'S 25-$40,000.

>> THOSE ARE COSTS WE'RE PAYING IB.

I THINK THERE IS PERHAPS SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WE ARE INCURRING BECAUSE AT, I WOULD JUST SAY AT CAS, THE CLASS SIZES ARE NOT AS BIG.

WE'RE NOT ABLE TO TO PUT AS MANY STUDENTS IN THOSE CLASSES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ENROLLMENT IN IB THAT WE DO UNTIL WE HAVE A LOT MORE STAFF MEMBERS SUPPORTING THAT.

SO THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT COST OF THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THERE TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM.

THE LIMITED NUMBER OF STUDENTS THERE, YES.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

I'M MORE INTERESTED IN THAT IN TERMS OF HOW IT IMPACTS THE BUDGET.

>> THAT WAS IN THAT GIBSON REPORT.

THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF DETAILING ALL OF THE COSTS OF THE PROGRAM AT THAT TIME, WHICH I THINK IS TWO YEARS AGO, 2023.

[BACKGROUND]

>> IT'S OVER THE CONTEXT OF OUR DISCUSSION THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE MORE RELEVANT.

>> IF WE NEED TO RESEND THAT AGAIN TO YOU-ALL SO THAT ALL CAN HAVE THAT GIBSON PIECE.

>> YOU DIDN'T PRINT.

>> I DID PRETTY RECENTLY.

>> I JUST GOT IT THE OTHER DAY.

I THINK CAROL RESENT IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. YEAH.

>> YOU HAVE JUST TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THE QUESTIONS.

I WAS GOING TO ASK OF HIDDEN FEES.

ONE IS REGARDING IF YOU COULD GET THE COMPARATOR OF

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LET'S NOT COMPARE HL MATH OF IB WITH HONOR CLASS OR ON LEVEL CLASS.

ADVANCED LEVEL TO ADVANCED LEVEL EQUAL COMPARISON OF THE CLASS SIZES, SO THAT WOULD BE ONE PART OF THE COST.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO DO IS TALK ABOUT COPPELL STANDARD AND WHATEVER PROGRAM WE DO DOING IT TO THE COPPELL STANDARD.

IF WE HAVE TO REALLY INVEST AND MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS LIKE KRISTI WALSH HAD SAID, YES, THERE IS AN EXTRA COST, THERE MIGHT BE SOME HIDDEN COST, BUT IF THIS ADDS TO THE WHOLE STORY, AND I'M THINKING FIVE, 10 YEARS AND A FUTURE OF BEING A DESTINATION DISTRICT AND A BIG MARKETING IN OUR REGION, THIS IS NOT TOO HIGH AT LEAST RIGHT NOW.

WITH THE NEXT ONE, IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY OF HAVING THE RIGHT STAFF, WHICH CAN CREATE A JOURNEY FOR OUR IB INTERESTED FAMILY AND A STUDENT FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MIDDLE SCHOOL AND MAY GET CAMPUS HAVING IB CLASSES TOO, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE SOME OTHER STAFF MEMBER TO CREATE A COHESIVE PROGRAM CURRICULUM WE'RE GETTING FROM IB.

AGAIN, LET'S TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF FINE ARTS.

HAVING A FINE ART DIRECTOR HAS HELPED OUR FINE ARTS PRODUCE SO MUCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SAME THING WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS HAVING A PERSON WHO'S OVERLOOKING THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROGRAMS FROM THE INITIAL YEARS IN THE COPPELL MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE PROGRAM TURNS OUT TO BE.

THIS I'M TAKING ONLY AS AN EXAMPLE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A DIRECTOR OF IB OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT ON YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO DO THIS PROGRAM AS PER THE COPPELL STANDARDS, WHAT COULD BE OTHER HIDDEN COST? WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO HAVE THIS PROGRAM, IF YOU HAVE TO REALLY EXPAND TO DO IT THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE?

>> ON THAT JUST SO I CAN MAKE SURE I GET CLARIFICATION, THAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT ADDING YOUR MIDDLE YEARS PROGRAM AND SPECIFICALLY THINKING ABOUT ONE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THE NINTH GRADE CAMPUS BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, THE NINTH GRADERS, THAT WOULD BE A PART NINTH AND 10TH GRADE WITHIN THAT, BUT NOT LOOKING AT ALL THREE MIDDLE SCHOOLS FOR THE COST.

I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT ONE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE CLARIFICATION.

>> WOULD YOU NEED A SECOND ELEMENTARY TO THIS STANDARD?

>> YES.

>> PROBABLY.

>> YES.

>> AS BENTLEY SAID, HAVING TWO ELEMENTARY, ONE MIDDLE, BOTH ELEMENTARY FITTING TO THE SAME MIDDLE, AND THAT NINE CAMPUS AND WE ALREADY HAVE IT, AND CHS.

JUST NOT ADDING THE PROGRAM TO THOSE LEVELS, BUT DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY THAT WE CAN CREATE A STUDY THAT IS A DISTINCT BENEFIT OF DOING THIS IB PROGRAM SO THERE ARE ENOUGH CHOICES OF IB COURSES THAT WE CAN ATTRACT STUDENTS OF ALL VARIETY.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS SCIENCE.

YOU COULD BE IN A FINE ARTS FOCUS AND THEN IB PROGRAM.

WHAT WOULD IT BE THE PATH THAT WE SELECT, WHAT COURSES WOULD WE DELIVER FROM ELEMENTARY TO HIGH SCHOOL TO HAVE A BASIC IB PROGRAM OF REALLY HIGH STANDARD.

WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE OPTIONS, BUT FOR ENDORSEMENTS, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO ALL KIND OF ENDORSEMENT OR CT, WE DON'T DO ALL KIND OF THOSE ADAPTATIONS, WE CHOOSE WHICH ARE RELEVANT TO OUR KIDS.

DOING THE RESEARCH ON, THIS IS THE PROGRAM WHICH WOULD BEST SUIT OUR STUDENTS AND OUR FAMILIES, AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO IMPLEMENT THAT WHOLE PROGRAM? HAVING SOME TOTAL COST THAT WILL HELP ALL OF US, I THINK, AND SEE THAT WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD DOUBLE DOWN ON AND WHATEVER.

BUT IF WE INVEST IN IT,

[01:40:03]

>> WE CAN DO THAT. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IB?

>> I WOULD GO BACK TO AS WE'RE DOING AND PUTTING TIME INTO THAT, IS THERE AN APPETITE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR IT? I THINK THAT'S COVERED IN THE GIBSON SURVEY TOO.

I NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, BUT I DO THINK THAT'S A BIG PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

>> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT GIBSON STUDY.

PART OF THIS MAKES ME THINK ALSO NOT JUST LIKE TRUSTEE SETHI SAID, NOT JUST HAVING THE PROGRAMS, BUT SHORING IT UP SO THAT IT'S OF THE HIGHEST STANDARD.

THERE ARE AREAS IN THAT GIBSON STUDY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS AND CONSIDER THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE IT WOULD BE THE BEST THAT WE COULD OFFER.

I TOOK LOTS OF NOTES, SO WE'LL PROBABLY PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU.

>> GOOD. THANK YOU, MS. KEMPER.

>> REMEMBER, AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS, THESE WERE ASK THE BOARD JUST TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, HOW WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING PROGRAMS. IT'S NOT MAKING ANY RECOMMENDATION.

ONCE AGAIN, YEAH, YOUR NAME FOR PROGRAMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFY THAT TOO, AS WELL AS WE'RE TALKING THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES.

OUR NEXT PROGRAM, AND THIS IS JUST ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT BILINGUAL EDUCATION AND SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THAT, BUT WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING WITH OUR MODEL.

YOU WANT TO TALK THROUGH THIS, DR. DAY RIGHT NOW?

>> SURE.

>> I CAN'T HELP. I NEED TO RELAY SOME. HERE WE GO.

>> SURE. CURRENTLY, OUR MODEL FOR EBS IN THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL IS TO HAVE A DLI IMMERSION PROGRAM.

WE DO A TWO-WAY DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM IN ELEMENTARY.

JUST SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER, CONTINUE SERVING LEARNERS THROUGH THE DUAL LANGUAGE IMMERSION PROGRAM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE STATE AS THE MOST HIGHLY IMPACT TYPE OF PROGRAM FOR OUR EBS.

THE RECOMMENDATION ON THERE IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ALSO IS POSSIBLE CONSOLIDATION OF THE DLI PROGRAM.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT AT TWO ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES.

BUT INSTEAD OF TWO, POSSIBLY LOOKING AT CONSOLIDATING INTO ONE CAMPUS AND SOME CONSIDERATIONS AROUND THAT, SOME QUESTIONS.

COULD WE SAVE COST ON STAFFING, A NUMBER OF EDUCATORS HIRED, BILINGUAL STIPEND, SPECIALIZED POSITIONS.

COULD WE SAVE COSTS ON INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS AND LICENSES, AND THEN COULD WE SAVE COST ON TRANSLATIONS FOR RESOURCES AND DOCUMENTS? AGAIN, TO NOTE, WE DO RECEIVE FUNDS FOR THE DLI FROM THE STATE FOR OUR LEARNERS PARTICIPATING, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

ALSO THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT WE GET BECAUSE WE DO THE PREFERRED METHOD OF IMPLEMENTATION.

THIS IS AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENT MODELS FOR SPANISH EMERGENT BILINGUAL LEARNERS.

WE USE A DUAL LANGUAGE IMMERSION TWO-WAY PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS THAT STUDENTS WHO ARE IDENTIFIED AS EMERGENT BILINGUALS ARE INTEGRATED WITH STUDENTS WHO ARE PROFICIENT IN ENGLISH AND THEY ARE SERVED IN BOTH ENGLISH AND SPANISH AND ARE PREPARED TO MEET RECLASSIFICATION CRITERIA IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL ONCE THEY ARE RECLASSIFIED.

THEN WE DO NOT USE EITHER ONE OF THESE TWO MODELS, THE TRANSITIONAL EARLY EXIT OR THE TRANSITIONAL LATE EXIT MODELS, BUT THOSE ARE BOTH ON THERE AS WELL AS DESCRIBING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

FOR ESL STUDENTS, WE SERVE THOSE STUDENTS IN BOTH ESL CONTENT BASE AND ESL PULL OUT DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL.

IN ELEMENTARY, IT'S CONTENT BASE, AND THEN SECONDARY, IT'S ESL PULL OUT AS WELL.

THEN THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THIS IMPACTS OUR FUNDING AND WHAT WE GET RECEIVED BACK FROM THE BILINGUAL ALLOTMENT.

HB3 INCORPORATES THESE NEW STANDARDS.

CREATING A NEW DUAL LANGUAGE ALLOTMENT IS BASED ON THE DATA REVIEWED BY THE COMMISSION INDICATES THAT DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAMS ARE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE VERSUS THE TRANSITIONAL OR ESL.

THAT'S WHY THAT IS A METHOD THAT WE USE HERE.

BEFORE THE FUNDING WAS EQUAL, LIKE REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROGRAM YOU WERE IN, THAT WAS THE ALLOTMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED.

NOW, THE ALLOTMENT DIFFERS ON THE TYPE OF PROGRAM YOU IMPLEMENT.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ON THIS ONE IS FUNDING FOR ANY, WHICH IS WE CALL EB, BUT IT'S ALSO A CODING LEP, SO LIMITED ENGLISH PROFICIENT.

IN ANY LANGUAGE PROGRAM, THAT'S THE ALLOTMENT THAT YOU WOULD GET.

BUT FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE SERVED IN A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM, YOU GET AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING PER STUDENT, AND THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCE RIGHT THERE, IF YOU'LL NOTICE THAT.

THEN WHAT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WHEN STUDENTS ARE NON-LEP, SO THAT'S THE ENGLISH SPEAKING STUDENT OR ENGLISH DOMINANT STUDENTS IN A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM SERVED IN A TWO-WAY PROGRAM, THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THEM AS WELL.

EVERY STUDENT WHO'S IN OUR PROGRAM, WHO IS ON THE ENGLISH SIDE, WE GET AN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THEM AS WELL.

[01:45:03]

WE WOULDN'T GET THAT IF WE HAD AN EARLY EXIT PROGRAM.

>> NOW, THIS IS A SNAPSHOT RIGHT HERE THAT I JUST CHECK.

I WORKED WITH KATHY CREEK TO GET OUR CURRENT NUMBERS THAT WE HAD FOR ENROLLMENTS.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY JUST OUR DLI CLASSROOM.

I'D JUST LIKE TO STATE THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.

YOU CAN SEE ACROSS COMPARISON HERE, WE HAVE DENTON CREEK ELEMENTARY WITH OUR CURRENT SECTIONS, ONCE AGAIN, JUST FOR DLI AND THAT WE'RE SITTING THAT, AND ALSO TO WILSON ELEMENTARY.

WILSON IS OUR ELEMENTARY THAT DOES HAVE OUR PRE-K DLI AS WELL, AND CURRENTLY, WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS OF THE PRE-K BILINGUAL WITHIN THAT CAMPUS AS WELL.

IF YOU WERE TO JUST TAKE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT OUR ENROLLMENT DROPPING FOR OUR ELEMENTARY ACROSS THE DISTRICT.

WE'VE SEEN THAT PATTERN AS WELL WITH OUR DLI, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS AS WELL.

KNOWING THAT, WE'RE SITTING BETWEEN TWO SECTIONS AND ONE SECTIONS TYPICALLY WITHIN OUR DLI NUMBERS.

IF YOU WERE TO DO A COMBO, I LITERALLY JUST TOOK THE NUMBERS, ADDED IT TOGETHER.

WE DID AN AVERAGE TO SAY HOW MANY SECTIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITHIN THAT.

THAT MIDDLE COLUMN RIGHT THERE JUST SHOWS OUR CURRENT TOTALS JUST FOR DLI SPECIFICALLY, OUR 360, IF YOU DID A COMBINATION.

IN KINDER, YOU COULD HAVE THREE SECTIONS OF DLI WITH AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 20.6 PER CLASSROOM.

I'M JUST FOLLOWING DOWN WITHIN THAT.

I WENT AHEAD FOR THE SECOND GRADE AND DID FOUR SECTIONS SO YOU COULD SEE.

BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENROLLMENT IN CLASSES, AND WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THAT GOING ANYTHING ABOVE EITHER THE 22, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO LOOK AT OPTIONS WITHIN THAT.

BUT WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT IS IF YOU HAD A CONSOLIDATION OF A PROGRAM AND YOU WERE TALKING ALSO ABOUT HAVING THE MONOLINGUAL CLASSROOM, JUST YOUR PURE ENGLISH CLASSROOM, YOU COULD STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF SECTIONS.

LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAD IN KINDERGARTEN, YOU COULD HAVE THREE SECTIONS.

YOU COULD STILL HAVE WITHIN A CAMPUS, NECESSARILY A FOOTPRINT CAMPUS, TWO ADDITIONAL SECTIONS OF MONOLINGUAL CLASSROOMS THAT YOU WERE HAVING THERE WITHIN THAT.

THAT'S JUST LOOKING ONCE AGAIN JUST AT NUMBERS RIGHT NOW AND THINKING IN THAT AS A CONSIDERATION.

IT WOULD IMPACT ONCE AGAIN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE LAID OUT THERE.

ONCE AGAIN, NOT HAVING SPECIFICS ON THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT STAFFING, IT'S VERY HARD TO HERE'S YOUR SOLID NUMBER THAT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT.

BUT IF YOU DID THAT CONSOLIDATION AND ALSO LOOKED AT ATTRITION RATES FOR THINGS AS WELL AS THE BILINGUAL STIPEND THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR OUR BILINGUAL EDUCATORS THAT WE HAVE AS A DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE JUST SOME COSTS WITHIN THE SAVINGS THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT FOR THAT.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. THIS IS GREAT.

JUST CONCISE AND SIMPLIFIED.

I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU FOR DIVING INTO THE FUNDING FACTOR OF IT TOO.

THE STUDENTS WHO ARE PREDOMINANTLY ENGLISH SPEAKING, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE APPLICATION RATE LOOKS LIKE, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR KIDS ARE ENGLISH SPEAKING VERSUS EMERGENT BILINGUAL?

>> YES. THIS YEAR IN THE LOTTERY, WE HAD I BELIEVE 12 APPLICATIONS FOR KINDER AND 14 FOR FIRST GRADE.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO GRADES WE'RE ALLOWED TO ACCEPT APPLICATIONS.

AGAIN, WE CAN ONLY ACCEPT AS MANY AS WE HAVE SPACES FOR, BECAUSE IT HAS TO MATCH UP 50 50, AND WE CAN'T HAVE MORE ON THE ENGLISH SIDE THAN WE HAVE ON OUR EB SIDE.

WE DO HAVE ENOUGH SPOTS FOR ALL OF OUR KINDER LOTTERY PARTICIPANTS THIS YEAR.

ON THE FIRST GRADE SIDE, WE DO HAVE A WAIT LIST.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE KIDS WHO ARE LEGACY.

IF YOU HAVE A SIBLING WHO'S ALREADY IN THE PROGRAM, THOSE WERE KIDS WHO WERE LEP AND AS WELL, WE HAD SEVERAL OF THOSE.

I DON'T KNOW THOSE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN LOOK THEM UP AND LET YOU KNOW, BUT WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LOT OF SIBLINGS.

THOSE KIDS ALREADY GET A SPOT IN THE PROGRAM.

>> [BACKGROUND]?

>> YEAH.

>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THE WHOLE DLI PROGRAM GOT REVIEWED THE YEAR BEFORE IMMERSIONARY AND FOR SCHOOL BOARD.

WE WERE SITTING HERE IN THE BOARD MEETINGS, THE WHOLE SECONDARY CONVERSATION.

DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF THE KIDS WHO ARE MODERATE? ARE THEY COMPLETING THEIR FOREIGN LANGUAGE REQUIREMENT FOR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION EARLIER? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE SIX YEARS LATER AS THAT PROGRAM WAS LOOKED AT? AGAIN, LIKE LONGITUDINALLY, IS THIS WORKING? IS IT PRODUCING THE RESULTS THAT WE THOUGHT FOR THE ENGLISH SPEAKING STUDENTS? I THINK THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HIRING FOR THESE POSITIONS.

IT FEELS LIKE OVER THE YEARS, SOMETIMES WE'VE HEARD THAT THESE ARE TRICKY POSITIONS THAT HIRE FOR BECAUSE YOU'RE WRITING CURRICULUM INTO, LIKE YOU'RE DOING DOUBLE THE WORK IN SOME WAYS, AND I KNOW THAT'S PART OF THE STIPEND.

BUT COULD YOU GUYS LOOK AT WHAT THE ATTRITION RATES HAVE LOOKED LIKE FOR THESE POSITIONS OR HOW HARD THESE POSITIONS HAVE BEEN? I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM, SO THERE'S NO CRITICISM THERE, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE A COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE.

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>> WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL, AND BEYOND THERE IS A PATHWAY TOO.

WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THE NUMBERS OF THAT OF WHAT THE GRADUATION RATES ARE LOOKING AT FOR THAT.

BUT I KNOW A LOT OF FAMILIES DO CHOOSE TO DO THAT PATHWAY.

IN FACT, AT OUR LOTTERY, WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOW PARENTS THAT THEY BOUGHT HOMES IN THIS DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS MODEL, SO I DO KNOW THAT.

>> WE'VE SEEN A LARGER NUMBER OF OUR LEARNERS THAT ARE TAKING HIGHER LEVEL SPANISH COURSES AND GOING UP TO LEVEL 3, LEVEL 4, [OVERLAPPING] AND THINKING ABOUT THAT WITHIN THEIR CURRICULUM.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY WE HAVE SEEN AS A PART OF THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING TO OFFER HIGHER LEVELS, WHICH IS GREAT.

>> WHICH I LOVE. I'M WONDERING SIX YEARS LATER, HAVE WE ACCOMPLISHED WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD WITH THE PROGRAM THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE, SO I LOVE IT.

>> ESPECIALLY FOR THE EMERGENT LEARNING MODEL OR THE EMERGENT ENGLISH LEARNERS, JUST HOW REB KIDS ARE DOING.

YES, THERE ARE KIDS TAKING ADVANCED LANGUAGES. [OVERLAPPING]

>> BUT HOW ARE REB KIDS DOING TOO?

>> EXACTLY.

>> AGREED.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING INTO AS WELL.

EQUITY AND ACCESS IS A BIG ONE OF MY PLATFORMS, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE DATA RIGHT NOW.

I'M WORKING WITH KATHY CREEK TO PULL THE DATA OF REBS, AND ALSO HOW THEY'RE DOING.

ARE THEY IN THOSE ADVANCED COURSES AS WELL, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT EQUITY AND ACCESS FOR ALL OF OUR KIDS, ESPECIALLY THE KIDS WHO THIS PROGRAM IS MEANT TO SERVE.

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PIECE OF DATA AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE PROGRAM BECAUSE I WAS TALKING TO A FATHER RECENTLY WHO HAS A CHILD HERE IN DENTON CREEK ELEMENTARY, AND HE WENT THROUGH THE ROUGH SPOTS FOR THE PROGRAM, HAD SOME PEAK AND VALLEYS, AND HE HAD NOTHING BUT JUST RAY REVIEWS ABOUT THAT TRANSITION FROM THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE FACING AND DEALING WITH, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT YOU BROUGHT PARENTS ON BOARD AT A HIGH LEVEL TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS, I THINK HAS ATTRIBUTED TO THE STABILITY OF THE PROGRAM AS WELL IN BRINGING THOSE LEGACIES IN THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.

>> SHOUT OUT TO DR. DAWSON, WHO IS, OF COURSE, NOW IN PONDER ISD OVER THERE, BUT SHE DID A GREAT JOB WITH REALLY HAVING THAT ADVISORY BOARD OF DIFFERENT PARENTS, AND SO REALLY GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.

NOW ANITA COMING INTO HER ROLE, WE'RE JUST VERY EXCITED TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON THE PIECES WITHIN THAT.

>> WHAT DID YOU SAY IS OTHER QUESTION?

>> NO. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE AT TIMES, AND SO THANK YOU FOR THE SLIDE.

YOU TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THEM TOGETHER, THAT WHEN YOU DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH STUDENTS, YOU ACTUALLY HAD EDUCATORS WHO WERE DOING BOTH ROLES, AND THAT WAS A REALLY STRESSING TASKING THING TO DO IF WE DO THE MULTIPLE PREPS AND DO THAT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE.

>> WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT, FOR DENTON CREEK RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE SAYING THE ONE SECTION WITHIN THAT.

BASICALLY, YOU'RE HAVING THE EDUCATOR THAT'S DOING THE DUAL ROLES. WHICH IS DOABLE?

>> YEAH.

>> ONCE AGAIN, AND WE HAVE AMAZING EDUCATORS.

BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ALL THOSE MOVING PIECES GOING WITH THAT.

>> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE, THE TA FUNDING.

>> THIS ONE RIGHT HERE?

>> NO, THE ONE WITH, [OVERLAPPING].YEAH, THAT ONE.

I'M WITH THE FUNDING FOR LEP STUDENTS IN ANY LANGUAGE PROGRAM AND DUAL LANGUAGE IMMERSION.

WHAT ABOUT OUR ESL KIDS WHO DON'T SPEAK SPANISH? LIKE WHAT ARE THE PERCENTAGES OF THAT? LIKE, IS SPANISH THE ONE THAT'S THE MOST DOMINANT SECOND LANGUAGE OR?

>> GREAT QUESTION.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH EITHER 20 LEARNERS THAT ARE SPEAKING A SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED WITHIN A GRADE LEVEL WITHIN THAT IS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO OFFER AS A DISTRICT WITHIN THAT.

PART OF THAT TOO HINGES ON WITHIN OUR DISTRICT OF ALL OF OUR WONDERFUL LANGUAGES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR FAMILIES.

ALSO HINGES ON FINDING THE EDUCATORS TO BE ABLE TO TEACH THE SPECIFICS WITHIN THERE, BUT ALSO TO THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE THROUGH THE STATE.

YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE A FEW DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT HAVE, OF COURSE, SPANISH, BUT ALSO VIETNAMESE IS ONE WITHIN SEVERAL DISTRICTS THAT THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM IN.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, IT HINDERS ON THAT.

WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE SUPPORTS, WE GO BACK TO OUR ESL SUPPORT FOR EMERGENT BILINGUALS, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC CONTENT BASED RIGHT HERE OF HOW WE ARE PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES AS WELL AS WHEN WE HAVE NEWCOMERS THAT ARE COMING IN WITH A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE? HOW ARE WE HAVING THE POSSIBLE PULL OUT SERVICES AS NEEDED WITHIN THAT AS WELL AS THE SECONDARY SUPPORT THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN OUR ELEMENTARY.

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>> NO. I THINK AGAIN, JUST REALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER LANGUAGES OTHER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE KNOWN AROUND THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT, DO WE HAVE EDUCATORS WHO ARE CERTIFIED THAT SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE, DO YOU HAVE A CONTINUOUS PROGRAM.

WE TALK ABOUT THE ATTRITION, HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE TO, AGAIN, HAVE A PROGRAM.

WE MIGHT HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT DO WE HAVE CERTIFIED TEACHERS WHO SPEAK THAT LANGUAGE, AND THEN ALSO EVEN MORE DIFFICULT IS THE CURRICULUM AND THE RESOURCES THAT EXIST.

EVEN JUST IN SPANISH, THAT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN REALLY WORKING HARD TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EQUITABLE RESOURCES IN SPANISH, WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, WOULD HELP WITH THE ATTRITION BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT TEACHERS STRUGGLE WITH IS HAVING TO TRANSLATE THINGS OR YOU FIND THINGS WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES IS TO MAKE SURE TO REMOVE BARRIERS FOR OUR BILINGUAL TEACHERS SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THEM BECAUSE IT IS HARD.

I WAS A DUELING TEACHER.

I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO BE IN THAT ROLE AND TO HAVE TO TEACH IN BOTH LANGUAGES OR THE TARGET LANGUAGE, AND STILL NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED.

THAT IS ONE OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT WILL HOPEFULLY HELP OUR TEACHERS AS WELL.

THE THING ABOUT IT IS WHETHER WE HAVE ONE TEACHER OR 30 TEACHERS, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A CURRICULUM, AND THAT'S STILL DOESN'T MATTER.

THE COST IN HAVING THE CURRICULUM AND PUTTING THE WORK INTO THE CURRICULUM IS THE SAME, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY TEACHERS WE HAVE.

IT'S JUST HARDER WHEN YOUR NUMBERS ARE SO SMALL, BECAUSE IF YOU ONLY HAVE TWO TEACHERS THAT TEACH THAT IN THE DISTRICT, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN THE SUMMERS CURRICULUM OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE REALLY PULLED FROM A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLACES LIKE OUR BILINGUAL LANGUAGE ACQUISITION SPECIALISTS.

THEY WORK YEAR ROUND TO HELP WITH THE CURRICULUM AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONTINUOUSLY BEING EQUITABLE, AND NOT JUST WAITING UNTIL SUMMER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> THEN WHILE WE MAY NOT HAVE A HIGHER NUMBER OF SPANISH SPEAKING CHILDREN, BUT THE SUPPORTS AND FUNDING AROUND ALIGNING THE CURRICULUM FOR A DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM FOR A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE JUST DON'T EXIST.

IT WOULD BE EXTRAORDINARILY HARD TO ALIGN THAT BECAUSE YOU NEED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES, WHICH YOU'RE NOT EVEN GETTING RIGHT NOW FOR SPANISH.

>> YES. BUT THAT WOULD BE LOVELY, IF WE COULD.

[LAUGHTER]

>> BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE AT HOME, THEY'LL SOUND LIKE [OVERLAPPING] I DON'T KNOW, WHAT IS THE TOP LANGUAGE ON THE ENGLISH SPOKEN? TELL THE TO YOU.

[OVERLAPPING] WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BUILD THAT OUT, BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE A NATURAL QUESTION IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE.

>> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE BILINGUAL FUNDING THAT THE DISTRICT GETS IS DUE TO ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT QUALIFY.

WE RECEIVE ABOUT 1.2 MILLION IN BILINGUAL FUNDING FOR THOSE STUDENTS, AND LESS THAN 200,000 FOR THOSE IN THE DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM.

WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING ADDITIONAL FUNDING, IT'S JUST THE 200,000 THAT IS BASED ON THE DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM.

>> I'M PRETTY CLEAR THROUGH LINE HERE, WHICH IS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECOMING OUR BUDGET QUESTIONS, WE'RE ALSO COUPLING THAT WITH EFFICIENCY, AND THEN EXECUTING AN AMAZING PROGRAM.

FOR INSTANCE, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, WHAT ACTION WOULD YOU LIKE ADMINISTRATION TO TAKE BASED ON THIS INFORMATION? DOES IT MAKE THE PROGRAM BETTER TO CONSOLIDATE IT? I MEAN, THAT ONE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME SAVINGS BUDGET-WISE, AND ALSO IS IT BETTER FOR THE PROGRAM? WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS TO THE PROGRAM, IF YOU CONSOLIDATE IT DOWN TO ONE CAMPUS? WHICH I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

THEN SECONDLY, WHEN I THINK ABOUT OPEN ENROLLMENT, PERSONALLY, I REALLY LIKE TARGETED AND SMALL OPEN ENROLLMENT THAT WE CAN CONTROL AS WE'VE BEEN OUR MODUS OPERANDI TO THIS POINT.

IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TARGET EVS AND OTHER DISTRICTS TO BE A PART OF OUR DUAL LANGUAGE PROGRAM? BECAUSE I KNOW AS THEY GO UP, THEN ALSO THE WAIT LIST OR THE NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS COULD ALSO GO UP.

WHAT I HEAR IN THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE ENGLISH SIDE WHO WOULD LOVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT'S DICTATED BY REB.

I WOULD JUST BE CURIOUS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE

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>> ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR ACTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE STATED BE ALIVE? THE NEXT DISSECTION IS OUR SECONDARY MASTER SCHEDULING, AND MS. COOPER HAS TAKEN THE LEAD ON THIS ONE FOR OUR CABINET TEAM, KNOWING THAT THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD IS LOOKING AT OUR SCHEDULES, POSSIBLY ADJUSTING IT AS A COST SAVING MEASURE, AND SO ON.

MARY, YOUR TAKE MAINLY THIS WHEN WE BROKE IT DOWN BY TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS, BOTH MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, KNOWING THAT EACH OF THOSE HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES, BUT THEY'RE SECONDARY CAMPUSES.

>> I WANT TO START WITH THE BOTTOM LINE UP THERE THAT SAYS, THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD IN DECEMBER OF 2024.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW JUST GIVING YOU SOME INFORMATION.

THEN BASED ON THE BIG QUESTION, WE'LL ASK YOU ABOUT WHAT STEPS DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE, PULL TOGETHER COMMITTEE THAT WOULD DO SOME MORE INVESTIGATION INTO IMPACT ON STUDENTS AND STAFF AND PROGRAMS AND COST SAVINGS.

JUST KNOW THAT. THE BIG IDEAS AROUND THIS IS, FIRST OF ALL, AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.

WELL, I DO WANT TO SAY I'M REALLY HAPPY AND THANKFUL AND VERY MUCH IN ALL OF OUR THREE MIDDLE SCHOOL PRINCIPALS WHO COME TOGETHER AND WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.

THIS IS THE MIDDLE SCHOOL VISION.

ONE POSSIBILITY KNOWING OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS RUN ON A SEVEN PERIOD DAY.

SOME OF OUR EDUCATORS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL TEACH FIVE OUT OF THOSE SEVEN PERIODS AND SOME TEACH SIX OUT OF THOSE SEVEN PERIODS.

ONE WAY TO SAVE COSTS IS TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PLANNING PERIODS OUR TEACHERS HAVE AND BY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF PLANNING PERIODS THEY HAVE AND WE SAY PLANNING PERIOD, MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE A CLASS ROSTER FOR THEM AT THAT TIME.

OUR POTENTIAL SAVINGS, POSSIBLY AROUND 1.7 MILLION.

NOW, THE 500,000 POSSIBILITY COMES FROM, YOU KNOW ME FROM MY MATH DAYS.

BUT WHEN WE ROLLED OUT THE BRAND NEW MATH STANDARDS, 2014 ISH 2013 ISH.

WE DOUBLE BLOCK SIX GRADE MATH BECAUSE OF THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF STANDARDS THAT GOT PUSHED DOWN TO THE SIXTH GRADE LEVEL AND WE WANTED THAT NICE SAFETY NET.

WE ALSO ACCELERATE IN SIXTH GRADE.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT NOW, BUT WE ALREADY DO IT.

OUR KIDDOS TAKE SIXTH GRADE MATH, OR 6/7 ACCELERATED.

BUT NO MATTER WHAT, THEY HAVE TWO BLOCKS TO DO THAT IN.

IF WE WERE TO UNBLOCK THAT AND HAVE THEM LEARN MATH IN ONE CLASS PERIOD PER DAY, THAT WOULD BE THE $500,000 SAVINGS.

TO RECAP, IT WOULD BE A POSSIBLE SAVINGS WITH THAT NOT DOUBLE BLOCKING MATH IN THE SIXTH GRADE LEVEL, AND THEN THE 1.7 MILLION COMING FROM LOOKING AT DECREASING THOSE PLANNING PERIODS SO THAT ALL TEACHERS WOULD TEACH SIX OUT OF SEVEN.

>> WHEN YOU SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING.

THERE'S SOME THAT DO FIVE, SOME THAT DO SIX OUT OF SEVEN.

IS THAT CONSISTENT AT ALL THREE CAMPUSES OR IS ONE CAMPUS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER?

>> NO. IT IS CONSISTENT.

THE CORE CONTENT TEACHERS, MATH, LANGUAGE ARTS, SCIENCE, SOCIAL STUDIES.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL PERIOD FOR THE PROFESSIONAL LEARNING COMMUNITY TEAM TIME TO GET IN AND LEARN TOGETHER, LOOK AT DATA TOGETHER, PLAY TOGETHER, PLAN FOR THOSE INTERVENTIONS, EXTENSION AND ENRICHMENT.

THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE FIVE OUT OF SEVEN.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES DEPENDING UPON, THE TEACHERS STUDENT LOAD THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ELECTIVE TEACHERS THAT HAD A OPPORTUNITY TO ASSIST WITH LUNCH DUTY OR COVER IN SCHOOL SUSPENSION.

THERE COULD BE A FEW OUTLIERS, BUT THE MAJORITY THAT I THINK WE SET ARE THE CORE FRONT.

THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO PUT THIS GROUP TOGETHER AND LET THEM STUDY IT MORE.

AS MARY SAID WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO COME TO YOU ALL IN DECEMBER OF 2024.

I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS DURING OUR ENGAGEMENT SLIDE.

BUT FRIDAY, WE DID A TWO HOUR THINK TANK WITH OUR PRINCIPALS AND ASKED THEM TO GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SHARING TONIGHT WAS SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR PERSONS.

>> THE WORK THAT THAT GROUP WOULD DO IF YOU WOULD

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THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY THERE.

I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE TENTATIVE TIMELINE BEING DECEMBER.

IF WE THINK ABOUT HOW, IF YOU BACK UP FROM CLASS SCHEDULES TO COURSE REGISTRATION GUIDE, MASTER SCHEDULE, STAFFING AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN THE WINTER TIME SO THAT WE COULD BE READY TO LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING SCHOOL YEAR.

>> MISS KIPPER, WE TALK ABOUT GOING TO SIX OUT OF SEVEN, ETC.

WHAT I'M TAKING INTO ACCOUNT IS THE FACT THAT THIS COMPRESSION MEANS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO STAY NARROW.

WE CAN GET INTO A LOT OF EXTRA STUFF BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WANT TO DO EXTRA AND DO MORE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO MORE WHEN YOU'RE COMPRESSING PEOPLE TO DO THESE AMOUNT OF THINGS IN AMOUNT OF TIME GIVEN.

I THINK THERE'S ALSO A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY, LET'S DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER EXTRA THINGS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE COMPRESSING PEOPLE TO GET JUST THIS WORK DONE AT A HIGH LEVEL.

>> IT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT TO BE KEENLY AWARE OF THE CHANGE, THAT IT'S NOT A HAPHAZARD DECISION THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT.

>> THERE'S A COST BENEFIT TO THAT.

THERE'S SOMETHING YOU SAID THE OTHER DAY ABOUT REMAINING IN DESTINATION DISTRICT AND THE QUALITY OF BOTH THE TEACHERS SATISFACTION AT THEIR JOBS AND THE ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOBS, AS WELL AS HOW WE EDUCATE OUR KIDS.

THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THE SCHEDULE HAS AN IMPACT ON.

>> THERE'S TWO SLIDES ON THIS SECTION.

AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH PEOPLE, BUT YOU NEED TO SEE BOTH OF THESE AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR COMMENTS BECAUSE ONE THING THAT HAS COME UP IS THERE SEEMS TO BE RIGHT NOW, A HEAVY ELEMENTARY FOCUS AS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OUR INEFFICIENCIES AND ALSO OUR DECLINING ENROLLMENT.

THE ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES ASK WHAT ABOUT SECONDARY AND YOU ALL HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT TOO.

WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO HAVE EQUAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BOTH GROUPS.

>> YES. LOOKING AT HIGH SCHOOL, WE TEACH ON AN AB BLOCK FOUR PERIODS A DAY, AND OUR EDUCATORS NOT INCLUDING OUT ELITES, BUT OUR EDUCATORS TEACH THREE OUT OF FOUR PER DAY OR SIX OUT OF EIGHT TOTAL.

ONE POSSIBILITY IS TO MOVE TO A SEVEN PERIOD DAY.

THERE'S PROS AND CONS TO THAT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE'LL DEVELOP A COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE THAT MOVING FROM THAT BLOCK SCHEDULE BACK TO THE SEVEN PERIOD DAY.

THERE'S A LOT OF IMPACTS ON THIS.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE WAY WE IN A SENSE, RUN SCHOOL RIGHT NOW AT HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

BUT THE COST SAVINGS WILL BE BASED ON A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM BUSING, SHUTTLES, FINE ARTS, ALL THE THINGS.

BUT IT COULD RANGE 1 MILLION TO 4.5 MILLION DEPENDING ON EXACTLY HOW WE WENT TO IMPLEMENT THAT.

I DID MEET WITH A GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS ADMINISTRATORS AND COUNSELORS TO BRAINSTORM POTENTIAL IMPACTS, AND I'M SURE WHAT THEY SHARED IS WHAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING SHUTTLES WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

WHAT ABOUT ENROLLMENT IN CTE COURSES IF STUDENTS, WOULD THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENROLL IN THE CTE COURSES? ALSO, WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON TEACHERS IF THEY WERE TO TEACH ON THAT SEVEN PERIOD DAY VERSUS THE WAY THEY TEACH NOW, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PREP? I REMEMBER WHEN WE ROLLED TO THE BLOCK AND THERE WAS PROFESSIONAL LEARNING AND THERE WOULD NEED TO BE AGAIN ON HOW TO STRUCTURE YOUR CLASS PERIOD, IN THAT WAY, CONSIDERATIONS FOR FINE ARTS AND ATHLETICS.

OTHER THINGS HAVE COME UP FROM THE PRINCIPALS, HOMEWORK AND ASSESSMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD ALL BE PUT INTO CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORTS PROVIDED.

BUT AGAIN, THE SAME TIMELINE LOOKING AT DECEMBER SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE SCHEDULES.

BUT AGAIN, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT SOME SECONDARY POSSIBILITIES TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY, POTENTIALLY WHILE BALANCING THE DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THE FINAL QUESTION, WHAT ACTION DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE?

>> CAN I SPEAK?

>> YES, MANISH.

>> I HAVE A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

MISS CATHY, REMEMBER YOUR PRESENTATION

[02:10:01]

ONE OF THE EXAMPLE, AT THAT TIME BACK OF MATH, WHERE YOU SAID ESPECIALLY IN THE COURSE OF MATH SCHEDULES, IT HELP A LOT, ESPECIALLY THE KIDS WHO ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE THEY GET MORE TIME WITH A TEACHER TO GO OVER COMPLEX TOPICS.

ALSO THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS WHO TAKE HIGH LEVEL COURSES IN BOTH MATH AND SCIENCE.

THEY BENEFIT A LOT BECAUSE A LOT OF SCHEDULES HELP THEM.

THE THING WHICH IS UNCLEAR IN MY HEAD IS, HOW DO WE COMPARE OF FIRST OF ALL, IF THOSE STATEMENTS THAT BLOCK SCHEDULES HAVE A MUCH BETTER EFFECT, ESPECIALLY FOR THE KIDS WHO FOLLOW MATH AND SCIENCE.

SECONDLY, HOW DO WE BALANCE THE BUDGET? IF GETTING AWAY FROM BLOCK SCHEDULE IS OF SUBSTANTIAL COST SAVINGS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GIVE UP? BECAUSE ONE IS SUBJECTIVE, OTHER IS, DOLLAR AMOUNT IS OBJECTIVE, AND I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HOW TO COMPARE THE TWO.

>> THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION.

IS THE COST BENEFIT THERE, IS IT WORTH THE MONEY DIFFERENCE AND CAN WE MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN THE EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE? WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE THAT TODAY.

WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS, ARE THESE TWO THINGS, SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO PURSUE PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE TO DO MORE INVESTIGATION AROUND IN TERMS OF POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THOSE MOVES WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL.

>> I THINK WE CAN. WE'VE GOT TO TURN EVERY STONE OVER AS WE'RE DEALING WITH BUDGET.

TO MANISH'S QUESTION, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE.

THE COMMITTEE WORK WOULD BE, THERE IS A COST SAVINGS BUT THIS WOULD BE THE IMPACT.

MY EDUCATIONAL EXPERT THAT I RELY ON WOULD ARGUE THAT A SEVEN DAY SCHEDULE IS PERFECT BECAUSE THAT'S A PREFERENCE THERE BUT I KNOW THERE'S BOTH SIDES OF THAT.

I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF OUR EXPERTS DISCUSSIONS AND LOOKS AT.

>> I SEE THEM AS TWO SEPARATE GROUPS GOING TO [OVERLAPPING] ROADS. IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE?

>> YEAH. AN UMBRELLA OF THE SCHEDULING, BUT VERY MUCH TWO SEPARATE GROUPS TO REALLY TAKE THAT AND LOOK AT WHERE WE WERE BEFORE WITH THE SCHEDULE AND WE OPENED NEW TECH WITH CHS SAVING A SEVEN PERIOD DAY AND HAD IT FOR YEARS.

NOW, WE DO HAVE A NINTH GRADE CAMPUS THAT'S A DIFFERENT FACTOR.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AS DAVID SAID, THERE ARE SOME TEACHERS THAT LIVE AND BREATHE BY BLOCK SCHEDULE AND OTHERS THAT PREFER A SEVEN PERIOD DAY.

WE JUST LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW AND JUST AGAIN, LOOKING AT THOSE PRICE TAGS.

>> I'M ANTICIPATING OPTIONS WITH THE LISTS OF BENEFITS AND COSTS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUPER SUPER CLEAR CUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES, BUT I SEE WHAT I'M ENVISIONING COMING OUT OF THE COMMITTEE IS A SUMMARY OF THIS IS WHAT YOU'D GET VERSUS THIS IS WHAT YOU'D GET.

>> COULD THERE ALSO BE POSSIBLE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES? LIKE WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE MIDDLE SCHOOLS, SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS THAT ARE ON A LIST THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE.

IT MAY NOT BE A PRO, IT MAY NOT BE A CON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.

WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT PLCS, I WAS LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES HAPPEN TO THE COLLABORATION TIME ON A CAMPUS OR ACROSS CAMPUS IN THE SAME CONTENT AREA.

I THINK THE THIRD CATEGORY IS THE UNKNOWNS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE.

>> VERY MUCH SO.

>> THOSE ON THE CAMPUSES WERE ALREADY READY TO SHARE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT MAY COME UP.

IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT'S AVOIDABLE, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE, DO YOU?

>> NOT TO SOLVE IT TONIGHT, BUT JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S AN APPETITE FROM THE BOARD.

BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOT, WE'LL LOOK FOR OTHER PIECES, BUT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, TURNING OVER EVERY STONE SEEMS TO BE THE PRUDENT THING TO DO AND THE EQUITABLE THING TO DO.

>> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE BEFORE DECEMBER.

IS DECEMBER YOUR DROP DEAD DATE OR IS DECEMBER LIKE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TARGETING BECAUSE I'M SITTING HERE THINKING WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE OTHER DECISIONS

[02:15:02]

>> IT COULD, BUT WE WANT TO GIVE AMPLE TIME TO IT.

WE DON'T WANT TO RUSH IT. BUT WE ALSO KNOW IT COULD BE A MULTI TIERED PROCESS.

IT COULD BE THIS CHANGE HAPPENS YEAR 1, THIS HAPPENS YEAR 2, AND THEN BY YEAR 3, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING.

OR IT COULD BE MORE COMPRESSED AND IT'S MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN THAT.

BUT WE SELECTED DECEMBER, AS MARY WAS SAYING, JUST BECAUSE OF SCHEDULING AND [OVERLAPPING].

>> WOULD YOU COME BACK TO US FOR ANY MORE DIRECTION AS YOU'RE DEVELOPING THIS BETWEEN DECEMBER OR DO YOU NEED THE HIGH LEVEL POINTS NOW OF THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IN THAT REPORT?

>> RIGHT NOW, WE JUST NEED, YES, WE WANT YOU TO DO IT, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AROUND WITH SOME MORE SPECIFICS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WE COULD SPEND ALL NIGHT JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS AND WE HAVE A WHOLE WORK TO DO.

BUT THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT RUSHING ANYBODY, JUST REMINDING EVERYBODY JUST WHERE WE ARE.

>> THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY.

IF WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE FOR THE PIECE WE'LL TALK ABOUT LATER, I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THE NEXT SECTION IS REALLY INVOLVED OTHER OPTIONS THAT MIGHT POSITIVELY IMPACT THE BUDGET, AND JUST TO TRY TO GIVE THE BOARD SOME HIGH LEVEL DOLLAR AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TO SEE IF WE WANT TO PURSUE THOSE OR NOT.

AT THE LAST BOARD WORKSHOP, WE HAD A PRETTY IN DEPTH DISCUSSION ABOUT OPEN ENROLLMENT AND WHERE WE WERE AND A DECISION WAS MADE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADDITION OF HACKBERRY CREEK.

AS DOCTOR HUNT AND DIANA AND ANGELA HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND AND HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS ON CAMPUSES IN THE COMMUNITY, THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS SURROUNDING OPEN ENROLLMENT AND WHY COULDN'T WE JUST OPEN THE FLOODGATES AND HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME TO THE DISTRICT COME TO THE DISTRICT AND WOULDN'T THAT SOLVE OUR PROBLEM? WE COULD JUST FILL UP ALL THE OPEN SEATS.

FOR TIME'S SAKE TODAY, REALLY THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED IN THESE SLIDES IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE WENT OVER PREVIOUSLY.

LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT STUDENTS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN COPPELL ISD CAN ATTEND SCHOOLS HERE.

THE BIGGEST ONE IS CHILDREN OF CISD, DURHAM TRANSPORTATION OR ARAMARK EMPLOYEES.

WE ADDED FOR THIS YEAR IF THEY WERE A CHILD OF A CITY OF COPPELL EMPLOYEE AND THEN A CHILD OF A RESIDENT IN ANY ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS OR APARTMENTS IN THE CITY OF COPPELL.

WE GOT MORE SPECIFIC IN LOOKING AT COPPELL GREENS AND RIVER CHASE AS THOSE ARE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT AREN'T ZONED TO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WHAT THIS SLIDE REFLECTS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE LISTED IN THE SLIDES LAST TIME WE MET WERE THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE IN EACH OF THESE AREAS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS THAT POTENTIALLY HAVE STUDENTS THAT FAMILIES COULD MAKE THE DECISION TO COME HERE IN COPPELL.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I BELIEVE, WE START LOOKING AT HOW MANY FAMILIES ACTUALLY MAKE THAT CHOICE.

WE DON'T TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR CAMPAIGN, SO TO SPEAK, OR EVEN OUR TIMELINES FOR REGISTRATION AND ENROLLMENT EACH YEAR, ARE EMPLOYEE TRANSFERS DO COME SECOND IN LINE.

FIRST, WE DO TRANSFERS OF INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN OUR DISTRICTS.

FAMILIES THAT LIVE HERE CAN CHOOSE TO TRANSFER THEIR CHILDREN BETWEEN SCHOOLS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, WHETHER IT'S PROGRAMMATICALLY OR FOLLOWING A COHORT OF STUDENTS IF THEY WERE AT PINKERTON FOR IB AND THEY'RE NOT THEN ZONED FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT PINKERTON ATTENDS.

WE ALLOW TRANSFERS FOR THAT REASON AND OTHERS.

THEY HAVE FIRST PRIORITY.

THEN WE DO OPEN UP EMPLOYEE CHILDREN.

WE DON'T TYPICALLY REFER TO THAT AS OPEN ENROLLMENT.

WE REFER TO THAT AS EMPLOYEE TRANSFERS, BUT THAT IS AN APPROVED OPEN ENROLLMENT BECAUSE THOSE ARE STUDENTS THAT COME TO OUR DISTRICT THAT AREN'T ZONED TO OUR DISTRICT.

WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, AND IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN IN THE SAME DISTRICT WHERE YOU WORK AND FOR MANY OF THESE STAFF MEMBERS, NOT ONLY IN THE SAME DISTRICT, BUT ON THE SAME CAMPUS.

COMING AND GOING FROM WORK IN SCHOOL, YOU'RE ALL IN THE SAME CAR, YOUR SCHEDULES ALIGN VERY NICELY.

IT'S A NICE WORK-LIFE BALANCE, SO TO SPEAK.

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BUT AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE IN OUR DISTRICT, WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING TO DECREASE AND RIGHT SIZE THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.

YOU TAKE THAT OFF THE TOP AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR OTHER OPEN ENROLLMENT AREAS, THE YIELD OR THE PERCENTAGE YIELD, THE CITY OF COPPELL, THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 400 EMPLOYEES AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE FOUR STUDENTS.

THAT'S ABOUT A 1% YIELD THERE.

CHILDREN OF A RESIDENT IN ONE OF THE APPROVED OPEN ENROLLMENT AREAS, WE HAVE 181, ACTUALLY THAT NUMBER HAS GONE UP A LITTLE BIT.

WE HAD TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE EARLIER TODAY AND WE DIDN'T ADJUST THIS SLIDE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY FROM A LARGER NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS BY ABOUT 1,000.

>> WHICH ONE?

>> ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY ONE FROM 4,503 HOUSEHOLDS, WE HAD AN INCORRECT NUMBER FOR [OVERLAPPING]

>> NONE OF THOSE I DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS YET.

SO I THINK. [OVERLAPPING]

>> THANK YOU.

WE HAD AN INCORRECT NUMBER.

THANK YOU. THAT IS CORRECT.

WE'RE GETTING ABOUT A FOUR PERCENT YIELD AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, WHERE WE REALLY HAVE SEATS AVAILABLE AS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, BUT WE HAVE MORE SECONDARY STUDENTS THAT ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, EITHER THEY'RE ENTERING AT SECONDARY OR OF COURSE, WHEN FAMILIES JOIN US IN ELEMENTARY.

THE MAJORITY OF THEM CONTINUE TO STAY WITH US EITHER THROUGH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT PROGRAM OR SOME FAMILIES TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY MOVE INTO OUR DISTRICT.

REALLY, THE PURPOSE OF LOOKING AT THIS WAS TO LOOK AT HOW WIDE POTENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO OPEN THE DOORS OF OPEN ENROLLMENT TO FILL THE AVAILABLE SEATS.

THE TRICKY PART OF THAT IS ANY GIVEN YEAR YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY SEATS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AT EACH GRADE LEVEL AND THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS MATCH UP TO WHAT THE POTENTIAL INTEREST IS.

BECAUSE AGAIN, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT, IT'S A BALANCE.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE STAFF AND THE SEATS WE HAVE WITHOUT ADDING COSTS.

ESPECIALLY AT ELEMENTARY, IT GETS REAL TRICKY WHEN THERE'S A CLASS SIZE LIMIT IN PRE KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FOURTH GRADE OF BALANCING.

IF YOU GO OVER THAT LIMIT, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO OVER BY JUST ONE, YOU WANT TO GO OVER BY ABOUT 20 STUDENTS TO JUSTIFY ADDING THE ADDITIONAL TEACHER THAT IS NEEDED TO OPEN UP THAT CLASSROOM.

JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS BACK TO LIGHT BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE MIGHT BE MORE INTEREST OR NEED TO DISCUSS OPEN ENROLLMENT AND CONSIDER LOOKING AT THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY FOR NEXT YEAR OR BEYOND.

>> I DID WANT TO SHARE BECAUSE SEVERAL OF YOU HAD ASKED ME ABOUT EMPLOYEES AND WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS FOR EMPLOYEES, CHILDREN REGARDING ATTENDANCE AND BEHAVIOR AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE HAVE HAD PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE ALSO ARE LOOKING VERY CLOSELY AT THE ATTENDANCE AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES KIDS ARE MEETING THOSE ATTENDANCE THRESHOLDS.

I DO KNOW SOME OF YOU HAD REACHED OUT AFTER A FEW OF OUR EMPLOYEES WERE NOTIFIED.

THEY ARE VERY MUCH WORKING THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND STUDENT AND STAFF SERVICES SPECIFICALLY WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES.

YES, THE PRINCIPAL HAS A PIECE OF THAT.

IT'S REALLY THROUGH THE STUDENT STAFF SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THOUGH, THAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO GO THROUGH TO WORK WITH THOSE EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES, BUT WE WANT THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THAT ATTENDANCE PIECE TOO, AND I THINK THAT MS. HICKEL AND HER TEAM HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH THEM AS THOSE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I LOVE OPEN ENROLLMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE JUST NEED TO FILL OUR SCHOOLS TO FILL OUR SCHOOLS.

LIKE EVEN A CLASS OF 750 SOUNDS GREAT TO ME.

I KNOW BUDGET IMPLICATIONS.

AGAIN, LIKE WHAT I SAID EARLIER, I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN OPEN ENROLLMENT WITH A SCALPEL INSTEAD OF A CLEAVER, IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT WOULD BE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT.

I STILL WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY OF HAVING GRANDPARENTS, IF THEY LIVE IN COPPELL OR THE GRANDPARENTS LIVE IN COPPELL,

[02:25:04]

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> YES. I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE AND YOU PROVIDED ADDITIONAL CLARITY.

IT'S NOT I AM THE CUSTODIAL PARENT OF MY GRANDCHILDREN.

IT IS MY SON AND DAUGHTER LIVE IN ANOTHER DISTRICT AND THEY'RE USING OUR RESIDENTS AND ME AS A POINT PERSON TOO, NOT TO LIVE THERE ALWAYS, BUT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE TO COME AND ASSIST AND BE A PART OF THE SCHOOL.

I THINK YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER DISTRICT THAT DOES IT.

I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW.

>> JUST THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT BEING THAT OFTEN IT'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE DISTRICT AND IF YOU GAVE THEM A REASON TO START THEIR KIDS HERE WITH GRANDPARENTS, LIKE MANY OF US MAYBE THEN WHEN IT WAS TIMED THAT YOU COULD BUY YOUR HOUSE WITHIN COPPELL ISD, YOU WOULD HAVE PLANTED THE SEAT AND WANT TO CONTINUE YOUR JOURNEY.

IT MIGHT BE A WAY TO HAVE OUR ELEMENTARY KIDS GROW WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY DECIDED THAT COPPELL ISD IS WHERE THEY WANT TO BE.

>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE AN INTEREST IF WE COULDN'T GUARANTEE THAT IF A GRANDPARENT LIVES IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ZONE TO A SPECIFIC SCHOOL, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD GUARANTEE THAT YOU COULD GO TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL LIKE YOU COULD FOR A RESIDENT.

AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON THE AVAILABILITY OF SEATS AT THE GRADE LEVEL THAT IS NEEDED.

BUT IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'D BE OPEN TO OR ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'D BE ABLE TO ATTEND THE ZONED SCHOOL WHERE THE GRANDPARENT LIVES?

>> QUITE THAT FAR DOWN. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO SEE IF IT WOULD EVEN BE A POSSIBILITY.

JUST TO EXPLORE IT SO THAT'S A GREAT I WONDER T.

>> YOU HAD SAID YOU GOT IT FROM.

[OVERLAPPING] I COULDN'T REMEMBER.

>> THEY DID IT FOR STAFF.

>> SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> I THINK THEY DO IT FOR STAFF RESIDENCE.

LIKE IF IT'S A STAFF MEMBER.

>> THAT'S A GRANDPARENT.

>> THAT'S A GRANDPARENT, THEIR CHILDREN CAN COME IN.

THEY DO IT STAFF AND RESIDENCE.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR LEIGH EITHER, BUT IF THE PARENTS ARE DRIVING FROM SOME OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT ANYWAY, I WOULD IMAGINE THE ZONED SCHOOL WOULDN'T MATTER AS MUCH IF IT'S NEAR THE GRANDPARENT'S HOUSE, JUST SPECULATING.

>> A LOT OF I WONDER WORTH EXPLORING.

>> MOVE ON PAST THIS.

>> THE FOLLOWING IS JUST SOME REVENUE OPTIONS AND THE FIRST PART OF IT IS REALLY SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT OR EXPLORING.

ONE BEING APPROVING ATTENDANCE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW A 1% IMPROVEMENT IN ATTENDANCE COULD GENERATE A MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'VE GOT THAT CAMPAIGN GOING ON NOW AND THERE WILL BE A FUTURE CAMPAIGN IN THE FALL TO REALLY HELP TO IMPROVE THAT.

SECOND BEING THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATIFICATION ELECTION, AND AGAIN, REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE DISTRICT'S M&O TAX RATE HAS DROPPED MORE THAN 18 CENTS SINCE 2022 SO THAT'S A LOT.

IT'S DROPPED 36 CENTS SINCE 2018.

THAT COMPRESSION HAS BEEN GREAT FOR FAMILIES.

THEN WE LOOK AT OPEN ENROLLMENT AND AS MS. [INAUDIBLE] JUST EXPLAINED, IF WE WANTED TO, LET'S SAY, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WE HAD IN ELEMENTARY, AND IF WE INCREASED IT BY ABOUT 240 THAT COULD GET US TO ABOUT 85% OF CAPACITY.

IT WOULD GENERATE $1.9 MILLION, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL EXPENSES BECAUSE WE'D BE ADDING STAFFING TO MORE SECTIONS, MORE TEACHERS IN THOSE SCHOOLS.

BUT TO ADD 240 STUDENTS, THAT MEANS AT THE 1.7% YIELD, IT'S ABOUT 14,000 HOMES THAT WE WOULD BE MEETING TO PULL THESE STUDENTS FROM.

THAT'S A MUCH LARGER GROUP THAN WE'VE GOT TODAY.

>> CAN YOU SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN?

>> FOURTEEN THOUSAND HOMES.

IF WE LOOKED AT THAT 1.7% YIELD, THAT'S WHERE WE WERE GETTING THE ELEMENTARY.

OUT OF OUR CURRENT, I THINK IT WAS 4,600, IS THAT RIGHT? OUT OF THE CURRENT 4,500 HOUSEHOLDS WE'RE GETTING 1.7 YIELDS.

IN ORDER TO GET 240 ELEMENTARY STUDENTS, WE NEED ABOUT 14,000 HOUSEHOLDS.

[02:30:02]

>> THAT'S THE TRICKY PART IS WE DO OPEN ENROLLMENT, AND WE HAVE MORE SECONDARY REQUESTS THAT WE DO ELEMENTARY, AND IT'S OUR ELEMENTARY ENROLLMENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW THAT HAS BEEN DECLINING, ESPECIALLY THE NORTHERN PART OF THE DISTRICT.

THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR CHALLENGE AS WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND THEN WE LOOK AT SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY CONSIDERED YET, AND ONE IS IMPLEMENTING OR RAISING FEES, WHEN WE HAD PAY-TO-PLAY THAT RAISED ABOUT $250,000 SO THAT IS AN OPTION.

THEN WE DO HAVE LAND, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE TO ADD TO OUR M&O BUDGET.

WHEN WE HAVE SOLD LAND THAT WE STILL HAVE THE DEBT FOR, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN IT GOES BACK INTO CAPITAL PROJECTS.

>> I'M THINKING ABOUT WE GOT RID OF PAY-TO-PLAY A WHILE AGO.

I EXPERIENCED IT WITH MY KIDS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I'M GUESSING WE HAVE A LOT OF PARENTS WHO HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT.

>> IT WAS 2016, 17 WAS THE LAST YEAR WE HAD PAY-TO-PLAY, AND THAT WAS A FEE TO PARTICIPATE IN EXTRACURRICULAR SUCH AS ANY ATHLETICS, ANY FINE ARTS, NOT THE CLASS, BUT THE EXTRAS, THE THEATER GROUP OR THE CHOIRS THAT ARE SINGING AFTER SCHOOL OR ATHLETICS.

THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS.

>> YOU ONLY HAD TO PAY FOR TWO KIDS IF YOU HAD MORE THAN TWO KIDS, I ONLY KNOW BECAUSE I HAD. [OVERLAPPING]

>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS A FAMILY MAX.

>> THERE WAS A FAMILY MAX.

>> I BELIEVE THERE WAS A FAMILY MAX.

>> THIS IS IN ADDITION TO YOUR BOOSTER CLUB FEES? THIS IS NOT IN REPLACEMENT TO THAT SO YOU WOULD STILL BE PAYING FOR ALL OF YOUR BOOSTER CLUB EXPENSES.

THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL PIECE.

>> IT'S LIKE I'M NOT ABOUT IT, AND I'M LIKE, WE DID IT UNTIL THE VERY END.

>> I THINK YOU USE THE PHRASE THAT THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.

I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THERE.

>> THIS MONEY GOES GENERAL FUND.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GOING TO OFFSET THOSE PROGRAM COSTS, THE BAND FOOTBALL ACQUIRE ALL THAT.

>> THE BIGGEST REASON IS TO BE INCLUSIVE.

>> I TOTALLY GET IT HAVING FOUR KIDS.

I WAS JUST LIKE, WHAT THE HECK, AND I'M PAYING FOR OUR BAND UNIFORM AFTER THIS. I TOTALLY GET IT.

>> THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REVENUE OPTIONS THAT WE COULD CONSIDER LOW.

EXPENDITURE OPTION, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHICH ONES YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE THROUGH WITH THIS.

EXPENDITURES, THERE'S BEEN THAT QUESTION OF HOW MUCH WOULD A CONSOLIDATION OF AN ELEMENTARY CAMPUS SAVE, AND IT COULD BE ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS, PERSONNEL IS ABOUT 1.6 MILLION OF THAT, BUILDING OPERATIONS ABOUT 400,000 SO THE BUILDING REMAINED OPEN.

WE WOULDN'T SAY THOSE ARE OPERATING EXPENSES, BUT IT'S THE PERSONNEL THERE THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILLION.

CONSOLIDATING DLI TO ONE CAMPUS COULD BE 150-300,000.

COST OF THOSE SECONDARY PLANNING PERIODS, THIS IS BOTH MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL, WOULD BE $3.8 MILLION.

THAT HIGH SCHOOL EIGHT PERIOD DAY, THERE'S A RANGE THERE AND THAT'S WHETHER YOU KEEP THE PLANNING PERIOD OR YOU DON'T.

THE 3.8 AND THE NUMBERS BELOW IT ARE EXCLUSIVE OF EACH OTHER.

YOU CAN'T GET BOTH 3.8 AND 4.4, SO YOU CAN ONLY GET ONE OF THOSE.

SUPPORT PERSONNEL REDUCTION, JUST LOOKING AT PERSONNEL THAT AREN'T IN THE CLASSROOMS THAT ARE NOT CLASSROOM TEACHERS, THERE'S 2.4 MILLION IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT PROGRAMS, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROGRAMS, AND I JUST THINK RIGHT NOW OF LET'S SAY STEAM.

WE JUST ADDED STEAM, THAT PROGRAM COSTS ABOUT $825,000, AND THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE THAT AROUND THE DISTRICT THAT ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT THAT THE DISTRICT DOES.

FINALLY, STUDENT BUS TRANSPORTATION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR OUR SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS.

BUT IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE STUDENT BUS TRANSPORTATION FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT COULD BE 2$.6 MILLION SAVINGS.

THERE ARE DISTRICTS THAT CHOOSE TO DO THAT, NOT MANY, BUT A FEW.

THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT AND HAVE THEIR PATRONS PAY TO RIDE THE BUS, AND THEY BASICALLY PAY FOR THE ENTIRE BUS PROGRAM.

[02:35:02]

>> I THOUGHT WE HAD TO OFFER BUS IF THERE WERE DANGEROUS ROADS TO CROSS OR A CERTAIN DISTANCE BEYOND JUST SPECIAL EDUCATION, LIKE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS BEFORE.

I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME THINGS WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE ABOUT DISTANCE WISE AND SAFETY WISE.

>> DISTANCE WISE, WE CAN CHANGE THAT TO WHATEVER IT NEEDS TO BE.

>>DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOKED AT [OVERLAPPING]

>> YEAH, WAS THAT CONVERSATION AROUND SOME OF THE STATE DOLLARS WE WERE GETTING FROM TRANSPORTATION THAT CAME WITH STIPULATIONS?

>> YES, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S IT.

>> WE CAN APPLY FOR HAZARDOUS ROUTES.

WE CAN APPLY FOR DISTANCE.

>> WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO OFFER THAT.

>> THANKS FOR THAT.

>> THAT IS JUST [OVERLAPPING] ANOTHER ITEM THAT COULD BE INVESTIGATED.

ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE BESIDES THE ONES WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS EVENING THAT YOU WOULD?

>> WELL, SINCE THAT WAS THE LAST BULLET POINT, I THINK IT MY COMMENTS ON THIS PROBABLY LEAD INTO OUR NEXT SECTION 2, BUT EFFICIENCY WITHIN OUR SHUTTLING SYSTEM.

THAT'S INTERCONNECTED, I GUESS, TO A LOT OF TOPICS TONIGHT.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHEDULING AND THE BUILDING EFFICIENCY, AND I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY LIKE NEW TECH.

LAST YEAR, YEAR BEFORE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OR PERCENTAGE OF KIDS AT NEW TECH THAT WERE SPENDING MULTIPLE CLASS PERIODS OF THEIR DAY AT CHS.

SO I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT.

IS THERE SOMETHING BETTER THAT WE CAN BE DOING? IS IT TEACHERS THAT WE SHUTTLE FROM CAMPUS VERSUS KIDS? BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE THAT WE'RE SPENDING TOO, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE EXAMINED AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN IMPROVE THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SECONDARY, THESE PLANNING PERIODS.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING PLANNING PERIODS ENTIRELY IN ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

I WAS THE CONFERENCE PERIODS THAT EDUCATORS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, I WAS LIKE, SURELY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GREAT.

THEN I WONDER ON THE REVENUE OPTIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT MAYBE LAST YEAR DURING THE BUDGET CYCLE, BUT ARE THERE MORE FACILITY RENTAL REVENUE OPTIONS? ARE WE CHARGING FOR OUR FACILITIES THAT ARE USED DURING THE SUMMER FOR CAMPS, EVEN IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR OWN KIDS OR OUR OWN CLUBS? I KNOW WE HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS DURING THE SCHOOL DAY, OF COURSE, BECAUSE OUR STUDENTS NEED TO BE USING OUR FACILITIES FIRST.

BUT I THINK ABOUT THE ARENA FOR MAYBE SMALLER SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOR THEIR GRADUATIONS.

HAVE WE MARKETED AND HAVE WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WHO CAN BENEFIT FROM SOME OF OUR FACILITIES WHEN WE'RE NOT USING THEM? I WONDER IN THE SUMMER, ARE WE CHARGING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CAMPS GOING ON ON OUR CAMPUSES IN THE SUMMERS.

ARE WE CHARGING FOR THOSE, OR IS THAT FREE FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE IS WEAR AND TEAR AND MAINTENANCE EXPENSE THAT GOES WITH THAT?

>> MR. TROTTER AND COACH PELL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT.

WE DO CHARGE. WE DO.

WE DO HAVE SOME ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE YMCA IN THE CITY DUE TO THE POLLING USAGE VERSUS THE CITY HAVING THAT IN THE DEAL.

YES, MA'AM. DO WE HAVE MODIFICATIONS WITH THOSE TWO GROUPS? YES. NEXT, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S VERY MUCH A GIVE AND TAKE FEE WITH THAT.

THEY DO PAY FOR CUSTODIAL AND SITE MANAGERS.

THOSE COSTS AREN'T BEING INCURRED FROM US AFTER THIS SUMMER.

>> WHAT ABOUT OUR OTHER ATHLETIC CAMPS THAT GO ON AND OUR ACADEMIC CAMPS THAT ARE ON OUR CAMPUSES IN THE SUMMER?

>> SOME OF THEM ARE CHARGED PER CLASSROOM, A SMALL FEE.

IT'S ENOUGH TO GET THEM WHERE WE FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S A REASONABLE PRICE, AND WE'VE RAISED THAT SLIGHTLY.

>> ARE WE BREAKING EVEN AT LEAST?

>> NOW, WE ARE.

>> WE'VE ADJUSTED IT JUST ENOUGH TO WHERE OUR OWN TEACHERS LIKE AN ART CAMP FOR ONE WEEK.

IT'S ONLY ONE WEEK.

THE KIDS PAY FOR A FEE AND THE TEACHER HAS TO COME BACK WITH THEIR BIRTH IN THE FACILITIES AND PAY THE FEE.

>> SO WE ARE CHARGING EVERYBODY FOR USING OUR FACILITIES.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMIT AND SAY 100%, EVERYBODY,

[02:40:03]

SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH TO MAKE AN ENRICHMENT FOR OUR SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS.

THERE'S ONE OR TWO OF THOSE. OVERALL, NO, MA'AM.

>> BUT CE ASKED FOR CGA, ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE USING OUR FACILITIES WERE CHARGING.

>> WHEN THEY GO OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE ALREADY SET, THEY PAY FOR THE TURF, THEY PAY FOR THE GYMS, THEY PAY FOR THEM.

>> MAYBE A REVENUE OPPORTUNITY WOULD BE SOME SMALLER DISTRICTS IN OUR ARENA OR FOOTBALL FIELD, OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, FOR GRADUATIONS.

BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVEN THOUGH OUR FACILITIES GET USED A LOT, I DON'T KNOW, JUST SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY THERE WITH SOME OF OUR FACILITIES.

>> WE HAVE SEEN FACILITY RENTALS REVENUE GO UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN THE CORRESPONDING COSTS OF THE GYM SUPERVISORS AND THE CUSTODIAL GOING UP, AND SO I THINK MR. TROTTER AND COACH PELL DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE AND REALLY TRYING TO ADJUST IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING THOSE COSTS.

WE ARE NOT GENERATING PROFITS FROM THIS AT LEAST.

WE'RE COVERING THE COSTS AT LEAST. YES.

>> I FORGOT ON MY TRANSPORTATION QUESTION.

CAN WE ADD ON THE PAY TO RIDE? ARE WE EVALUATING WHAT THOSE EXPENSES ARE AND SHOULD WE BE INCREASING THAT?

>> DR. HUNT HAS MADE IT AN OBJECTIVE FOR US TO RE-EVALUATE THAT AND INCREASE IT TO A REASONABLE AMOUNT.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS JUST I MEANT TO SAY THAT TOO. I FORGOT.

>> ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO LEASE OUT OUR LAND FOR ANY REASON? IF WE HAD COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON IT ALREADY OR ANY, WE WOULD ERECT SOMETHING.

BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO LEASE IT?

>> I WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL FOR THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR.

I DO KNOW THAT IF WE OWNED A BUILDING, WE COULD LEASE THAT BUILDING BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD LEASE THE LAND BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A BUILDING PUT ON IT. I'M NOT SURE IF WE COULD ALLOW IT.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S MEANT FOR AGRICULTURAL REASONS BEING FROM EAST TEXAS.

YOU HAVE ONE YEAR CALENDAR, AND IF WE TELL YOU TO MOVE THAT, THERE'S NO DAMAGE OR STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY.

>> WE DO THAT ALREADY WITH SOME OF OUR PROPERTY IN CYPRESS WATERS FOR CATTLE PURPOSES TOO.

SEVERAL [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]

>> BECAUSE I REMEMBER MAYBE IT WAS SOME MAP, BUT I'M MISREMEMBERING.

IS THERE A STRIP MALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S ON LAND THAT'S OURS OR NO?

>> IT'S NOT A STRIP MALL.

>> I THINK IT WAS A BODY UP ADJACENT TO IT.

[OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER] LIKE THE BELL LINE.

>> IT'S THERE.

>> IT'S RIGHT THERE. THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

OTHER ONES ARE GOING TO ASK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED THE COST.

WE ESSENTIALLY COVER THE COST WHERE LIKE SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD BASKETBALL LEAGUE, IT'S SO PLACED AND HAVE THAT ONE SET UP THERE AND RUN AT THE GYM AT CERTAIN TIMES OR SIGN UP FOR A CLUB FOR OPEN BASKETBALL RUNS AT 06:00-07:00 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MIGHT SELFISHLY BE ASKING FOR MYSELF TO SIGN.

[LAUGHTER] SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> BILL, IF YOU DON'T MIND COMING UP TO THE TABLE BECAUSE, LIKE MS. SARKAR SAID, MR. TROTTER AND COACH PELL HAVE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB OF LOOKING AT THAT.

IF WE'RE HEARING FROM THE BOARD, YOU WANT US TO EXPLORE THAT EVEN FURTHER.

THERE ARE SOME OF OUR CAMPUSES WHERE WE'RE NOT REALLY UTILIZING THAT AS MUCH BUT WE COULD REVISIT THAT.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A NEED FOR A WHILE THERE LIKE MS. SARKAR SAID.

PEOPLE JUST WEREN'T PARTICIPATING IN THAT AS MUCH BUT OBVIOUSLY THE PAST FEW YEARS, THAT'S PICKED BACK UP.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE USED OUR ARENA AND BUDDY FIELD FOR MANY PLAYOFF GAMES.

>> LOTS OF PLAYOFF GAMES.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE GRADUATIONS BUT I DO KNOW SPECIAL EVENTS.

THEY HAD THAT BASKETBALL EVENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

[NOISE] I KNOW THERE'S OTHERS, BUT WE CAN KEEP LOOKING AT THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS TO ADD TO THAT, COACH.

>> BEING AS CENTRALLY LOCATED AS WE ARE IN THE METROPLEX, WE'RE A DESTINATION PLACE FOR PLAYOFFS.

WE'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW IN BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, PARTICULARLY THE ARENA WITH VOLLEYBALL, BOYS AND GIRLS BASKETBALL, WE'LL HOST FIVE AND SIX GAMES AND IN SOME CASES, DOUBLE HEADERS ON THE SAME NIGHT ON THE PLAYOFF SIDE OF THINGS.

BUT THERE'S BEEN INTEREST OF LOCAL CHURCHES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN DOING OPEN RUNS AND HAVING LEAGUES AND WHATNOT.

THE ONLY PROBLEM IS WE'LL ACCOMMODATE ALL OF OUR OWN ACTIVITIES FIRST,

[02:45:07]

DURING MIDDLE SCHOOL BASKETBALL SEASON, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO TIMES IN A SEASON WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HOST MIDDLE SCHOOL TOURNAMENTS.

OH, WELL, THESE ARE TWO SATURDAYS WE CAN'T HAVE.

WELL, WE WANT SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN HAVE EVERY SATURDAY, THIS TWO-MONTH PERIOD.

SOMETIMES THE NOT BEING ABLE TO GUARANTEE AND US HAVING THE FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL WHEN NECESSARY, IT TENDS TO LEND ITSELF MORE TO CLUB PRACTICE TYPE SCENARIOS WHERE WE CAN MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IF WE NEED TO BUT OPEN RUNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT GOING, WE CAN ALWAYS FIND SOMETHING ON A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY.

>> I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAGNITUDE OF THAT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 100, $150,000, IS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN INCREASED RENTALS FOR BOTH FACILITIES AND THOSE ATHLETIC EVENTS. IT'S MONEY.

>> BUT IT'S NOT BIG.

>> BUT IT'S NOT MILLIONS.

>> BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPLORE THAT AND LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL WAYS AS MR. CARL SAID, IT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE US THOSE BIG WINS BUT IT IS REVENUE.

>> IT IS. IT HELPS US AS WE KEEP PUSHING FORWARD.

>> MY QUESTION BE HERE TOO, IS THERE ANY AVENUES TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF COPPELL? THEY AT ONE TIME PAID FOR CROSSING GUARDS AND I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT'S GOING.

>> THEY STILL DO YOU PAY FOR THE CROSSING GUARDS FOR HALF OF THEM, AND THEN THE SROS, THE GREAT THING WITH THE CITY OF COPPELL IS THEY HAVE AGREED TO EXTEND THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DISTRICT FOR ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL SECURITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AND PAY 50% FOR THAT, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE AMOUNT.

>> THE FOUR SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF COPPELL, THAT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION BUT IT REALLY IS BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT FOR OUR CAMPUSES THAT ARE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

>> ON THE TOPIC OF THE CITY, I THINK, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SHUTTLE STUFF, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

IS THERE A ROUTE THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT LIKE WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY TO MAKE THAT ONE DEDICATED FULL TIME TO SHAVE OFF MINUTES IF NECESSARY OR IS THERE A ROUTE THAT YOU CAN TAKE THAT'S WELL, I MAY SAY DEDICATED LIKE A PLUS LANE? FOR THESE TIMES, BUSES ONLY.

NOBODY ELSE IN THAT LANE. STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> THAT'S A HARDER ONE TO DO AND IT'S BEEN TOSSED AROUND BEFORE.

THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS THE BEST OPTION FOR OUR RICHARD J LEE OVERFLOW KIDS, WE REALLY DID LOOK AT BUS ROUTES AND GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM PEOPLE.

WELL, WHY ARE YOU DRIVING PAST THESE OTHER SCHOOLS? WELL, IF THOSE SCHOOLS ARE IN A MORE CONGESTED AREA, YOU CAN TAKE A ROUTE THAT'S A LITTLE LESS CONGESTED BUT IT'S JUST DIFFICULT DURING CERTAIN PEAK TIME PERIODS.

THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE TRAFFIC AND THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.

>> I WASN'T TALKING NECESSARILY ABOUT EVERYTHING, JUST THE SHORTER RUNS.

THE SHORTER RUNS BETWEEN THE SCHOOLS.

IF THAT'S A WAY TO SHAVE OFF TIME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD SHAVE MONEY.

MAYBE WE SHAVE OFF MONEY BY HAVING LESS RUNS, IF YOU COULD SOMEHOW DO THAT BUT WHO KNOWS?

>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ONE.

GOT IT ALL?

>> YEAH, I GOT IT ALL. [LAUGHTER]

>> THAT IT?

>> I CAN'T OPERATE IN SCHOOL YET.

[LAUGHTER] JOAN.

>> YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE [NOISE] THAT MR. TROTTER AND I ARE LEADING A IMPLEMENTATION TEAM OF OUR 7.11 STRATEGIC PLAN.

THE SPECIFIC RESULT REALLY IS TO DEVELOP AN EVALUATION PROCESS THAT PROMOTES EFFICIENT FACILITY AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

WE'VE HAD OUR FIRST MEETING WITH OUR IMPLEMENTATION TEAM.

SORRY, THERE WE GO.

OUR IMPLEMENTATION TEAM IS MADE UP OF THREE CO-FACILITATORS.

IT'S MR. TROTTER, MYSELF, AND PRINCIPAL GOLLNER FROM DENTON CREEK.

WE HAVE SEVEN PARENTS ON THAT WHO REPRESENT BOTH SECONDARY AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, WE HAVE SIX STAFF MEMBERS.

SOME OF THOSE STAFF MEMBERS ARE ALSO PARENTS.

SOME OF THE PARENTS THAT ARE ON THAT TEAM AND STAFF MEMBERS WERE ON THE ORIGINAL ACTION TEAM THAT DEVELOPED THAT 7.11 SO THERE WAS A THROUGH LINE THERE, A LITTLE BIT OF ALIGNMENT.

THEN WE'VE HAD OTHERS WHO APPLIED TO BE ON THAT TEAM, AND SO THAT'S HOW WE MADE UP THE MEMBERS OF THE 7.11 IMPLEMENTATION TEAM.

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THANK YOU. I KEEP MOVING IN THE ONE AND NOT THE OTHER.

[LAUGHTER] WE ARE DEVELOPING AN EVALUATION TOOL REALLY TO ADDRESS NOT JUST BUILDINGS, NOT JUST ELEMENTARY CAMPUSES, BUT REALLY ALL FACILITIES, ALL BUILDINGS, AND LAND.

I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE PIECES AND EVALUATING THEM.

THIS GROUP HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

THEY'RE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

REMEMBER, THIS GROUP IS THE IMPLEMENTATION TEAM, THEY ARE JUST DEVELOPING THE TOOL, THEY WILL NOT BE EVALUATING THAT TOOL.

THEY WILL NOT BE PLUGGING THE DATA INTO THAT TOOL.

THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE EVALUATION TEAM, NOT THIS GROUP.

I'LL DO BOTH THIS TIME.

I WANTED TO BRING TO YOU THE TIMELINE SO THAT YOU CAN EXPECT SOME INFORMATION BACK FROM THIS GROUP FROM 7.11.

WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING TOMORROW.

OUR GOAL IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A FINALIZED PRODUCT TOMORROW NIGHT.

WE PUSHED THEM HARD THE FIRST TIME AND WE GOT FAR.

WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THEM HARD TOMORROW AND THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU ON THE 20TH FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

WE WILL ASK YOU THEN TO REVIEW FOR FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO YOU ON JUNE THE 10TH FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

BECAUSE THEN WE WILL HAND THAT DOCUMENT OVER TO THE EVALUATION TEAM AND THE EVALUATION TEAM WILL GET TO WORK.

WE WANT TO GET THAT ROLLING.

THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT GROUP TO WORK WITH. THERE'S SOME EXPERTS.

I THINK THAT'S THE BIG PIECE OF THAT, IS THERE'S EXPERTS ON THAT TEAM THAT ONE OF OUR PARENTS, SHE WORKS FOR A LARGE GLOBAL RETAIL COMPANY AND SHE DOES CONSOLIDATIONS ALL DAY LONG.

THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES FOR A LIVING.

SHE EVALUATES PROPERTIES ALL DAY LONG AND SO SHE BROUGHT A LOT OF WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE.

WE HAVE REAL ESTATE AGENTS.

WE HAVE A BREADTH AND DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE ON THIS GROUP AND THEY'RE BRINGING THEIR EXPERTISE TO IT, WE HAVE STATISTICIANS AND JUST DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING KNOWLEDGE.

I THINK MR. TROTTER LED AN EXERCISE AT THE END AND ASKED ABOUT, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FIRST MEETING? WE GOT WORDS LIKE SYNERGY, CONSENSUS, ONE MINDSET.

I THINK THOSE WERE GOOD THINGS.

I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF GREAT THINKING THAT WAS HAPPENING, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BRING QUALITY PRODUCT TO YOU.

THEY DEFINITELY ADDED SOME THINGS THAT HONESTLY, I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU SOMETHING THAT WILL ALLOW THE EVALUATION TEAM TO DO A GREAT JOB.

THEY'RE TAKING A LOT OF THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEY'RE MAKING IT COPPELL.

I THINK THAT'S THE GREAT THING, IS THAT THEY'RE CHECKING EVALUATION TOOL BUT MAKING IT FIT WHO WE ARE.

>> I KNOW THAT [NOISE], EXCUSE ME, PRESIDENT CAVINESS CAME AT THE FIRST MEETING TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE CHARGE AND ALSO HELP TO CLARIFY THE EVALUATION TOOL IS DIFFERENT FROM THE VADER EFFICIENCY AUDIT.

THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

BUT LIKE MS. BROWN WAS SAYING, THE TASK OF THIS GROUP IS LOOKING AT ALL FACILITIES.

>> EXACTLY.

>> NOT JUST ONE GRADE LEVEL BUT ALL DISTRICT-WIDE FACILITIES.

>> ALL FACILITIES, BUILDINGS, THE AUXILIARY BUILDING.

THEY'LL LOOK AT THE BUILDING BEHIND PINKERTON.

THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE OLD ADMIN BUILDING, THE DURHAM BUILDING, IN FRONT OF CHS 9, AND ALL THE LAND.

REALLY LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR PROPERTY FACILITIES THAT WE OWN AND EVALUATING THAT SO THAT OUT OF THAT CAN COME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

I THINK THAT'S A BIG PIECE OF THAT.

WE WILL BRING THAT TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW ON MAY 20TH, ASK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO OUR TEAM AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU ON JUNE 10TH.

MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OR HAVE US DO DIFFERENTLY.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EVALUATION OF THE BUILDING IS IT LOOK AT THE ADEQUACY OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TODAY? IS IT LOOKING AT THE FACILITY FROM A LONG RANGE STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING THE BUILDING AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, WHAT DOES THAT SCOPE BASED ON THAT, THEN I CAN CHIME IN AND GIVE ANY COMMENTS.

>> IT IS LOOKING AT THAT SO IT'S TAKING LOTS OF DATA POINTS SO REMEMBER WE'VE HAD THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT FROM CORGAN IN 2020 SO IT'S TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

REMEMBER, THIS HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET SO IS STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SO IT'S NOT FINALIZED.

THEY'VE ONLY STARTED THE FACTORS.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES CREATING IT WE'RE JUST FACILITATING THE CREATION OF IT.

BUT THEY WILL TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.

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ONE OF THE PIECES THAT THEY THEN WANT TO ADD IS AND BASICALLY A DECISION FILTER THAT WILL LOOK AT SOME CONSIDERATIONS, SPECIAL PROGRAMS, IMPACT TO STUDENTS, IMPACT TO STAFF SOME OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE HARDER TO QUANTIFY.

IT WILL NOT JUST LOOK AT STRAIGHT NUMBERS, BUT ALSO LOOK AT THESE OTHER THINGS AND THEN ASK THAT WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT THEY'LL RUN THROUGH THIS DECISION FILTER, THEN JUST TO LOOK AT IT.

ONE OF THOSE THAT THE TEAM WANTS IS TO LOOK AT DOES IT ALIGN WITH OUR CORE VALUES AND COUPLE ISD.

THEY'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL AT BUILDING THIS.

I THINK IT WILL GIVE YOU THAT BREADTH OF WHAT WE WANT.

>> YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, THOUGHTS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION IN THAT REGARD.

IT'S LOOKING AT THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY COULD BE SINGLE USE BUILDINGS VERSUS BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE ALTERED FOR OTHER USES.

THAT IS IN THAT DECISION FILTER SO ONE OF THE EXACT QUESTIONS IS THAT FUTURE PLANNING IT'S LIKE, CAN THIS BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS? THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, IT'S NOT IN THE EVALUATION PIECE, BUT IN THAT DECISION FILTER, THEY ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THAT.

HOW ELSE COULD WE USE THIS BUILDING WITH THIS FACILITY, THIS LAND SO KIND OF FUTURE PLANNING THAT WAS ONE OF THE FACTORS THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT.

>> ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON IS THE DECISION MAKING CALENDARS.

WE'VE PUT TOGETHER TWO OPTIONS TO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE TO THE BOARD, AND THEN WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL REGARDING SOME OF THOSE BIG DECISION ITEMS, PARTICULARLY SCHOOL CONSOLIDATIONS, MAJOR PROGRAMS, SHIFTS AND CHANGES.

OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD NOT INVOLVE THE SCHEDULING COMPONENT BECAUSE THAT HAS A DIFFERENT TIMELINE BUT FOR SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT FOR 24 25, BUT FOR THE 25 26 SCHOOL YEAR, WE HAVE OPTION A, WHICH STARTS WITH WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND FINALIZATION OF THE TIMELINE, AND THEN GUIDES THROUGH TO A FINAL POINT OF SEPTEMBER 30 FOR BOARD MEETING TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FINAL DECISION, STEP BY STEP AGAIN, WE START WITH TODAY WE HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING ON MAY 20TH, AND THAT'S WHEN THE FACILITIES EVALUATION TOOL WILL BE PRESENTED AS MISS BROWN HAS MENTIONED.

JUNE 10TH IS THE WORKSHOP WE WILL COME WITH A COMPENSATION PLAN FROM MISS [INAUDIBLE] AND MISS [INAUDIBLE] AND MISS DUKE AND THEN WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE FINAL FACILITIES EVALUATION TOOL FOR APPROVAL.

JUNE 24TH BOARD MEETING WOULD BE APPROVAL OF THE COMPENSATION PLAN.

JULY 22ND IS THE VADER EFFICIENCY AUDIT WORKSHOP ON JULY 25, AUGUST 12 WILL BE A FINAL DRAFT OF THE BUDGET FOR YOUR REVIEW AT THAT WORKSHOP AND THEN AT THE AUGUST 19 MEETING, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL BIG PIECES THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL EVADER IF THE BOARD ELECTS TO DO SO OR DECIDES TO DO SO APPROVAL OF THE TAX RATE AND BUDGET ADOPTION AND PRIOR TO THAT WOULD BE THE BUDGET HEARING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SEPTEMBER 9TH WOULD BE ANOTHER WORKSHOP THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME TEAM RECOMMENDATIONS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO SCHOOL CONSOLIDATIONS AND THAT WOULD BE BASED ON THE TOOL THAT WAS CREATED BY THAT SUBCOMMITTEE OF 711.

SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER, WE WOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF TOWN HALL TO SHARE THAT AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY REGARDING THOSE FINAL DECISIONS AND THEN ASK FOR THE BOARD TO VOTE ON THAT ON SEPTEMBER 30TH AT THE SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING SO THAT'S OPTION A.

OPTION B, IS A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE AGAIN, STARTING WITH TODAY, ALL OF THE TOP PIECES WOULD BE THE SAME EXCEPT WE WOULD MOVE THE TOWN HALL TO JUNE AND USE THE JULY 22ND BOARD MEETING TO NOT ONLY DO THE EFFICIENCY AUDIT FOR THE VADER, BUT ALSO MAKE A FINAL DECISION REGARDING A SCHOOL CONSOLIDATION SO THOSE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> NO.

>> I'M GOING TO ANYWAY [LAUGHTER] ON OPTION B, JULY IT HAS WHEN WE WOULD LOOK AT STUDENT MOVEMENT, STAFF REASSIGNMENTS, ETC, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT ON OPTION A.

>> IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE, IT SHOULD JUST BE BUDGET WORKSHOP.

THOSE ARE REALLY MORE STAFF THAT WAS LIKE NOTES FOR US AS IS SAD TO DO, NOT REALLY BOARD.

WE TOOK THAT OFF OPTION A,

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>> THAT'S OKAY. I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION RELATED TO THAT THEN.

WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO WITH FACILITIES IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH FACILITIES WOULD WE BE TELLING THE COMMUNITY KIND OF THE WHOLE PLAN OR WOULD WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DECIDED, AND WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOU WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN?

>> FOR B, FOR A OR BOTH.

>> BOTH.

>> LET'S GO TO A SINCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT OTHER WORDING ON THERE.

SEPTEMBER 9TH WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD SHARE SOME OF THOSE RESULTS FROM THE EVALUATION TOOL AND DISTRICTS RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN HAVE THE TOWN HALL TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK AND THEN ASK YOU ALL TO VOTE ON SEPTEMBER 30TH.

>> I GUESS IF WE VOTED ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD WE BE TELLING SO HERE'S MY WORRY.

MY WORRY IS IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH FACILITIES, I WORRY THAT WE MAY CAUSE A LOT OF ANXIETY BY MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT BUT NOT BEING ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE, AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

I THINK IF WE TELL PEOPLE WE'RE GOING TO DO X, Y AND Z AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU IN A MONTH THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF INKS VERSUS HERE'S WHAT WE'VE DECIDED, AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE IMPLEMENTING IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE FOR [OVERLAPPING]

>> STAFF, AND THOSE WERE SOME OF THOSE NOTES TO OURSELVES ON THAT.

I DON'T REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE BOARD'S PLACE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THAT'S MORE OPERATIONS.

ONCE YOU ALL DO THE GOVERNANCE PIECE AND MAKE THAT DECISION, WE WILL IMMEDIATELY SHARE, STAFF, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THESE ARE GOING TO BE YOUR NEXT STEPS.

STUDENTS, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND BE YOUR NEXT STEPS SAME THING WITH PARENTS.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE AFTER THE FACT THAT WE'VE LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE NEXT STEPS.

>> SEPTEMBER 31ST.

WE COULD TALK ABOUT THAT DURING THE TOWN HALL.

I MEAN, IF WE NEED TO GET INTO THE MINUTIA OF THAT PIECE, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT.

>> WHENEVER WE MAKE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE CAN TELL EVERYBODY AS MUCH AS WE KNOW ALL AT ONE TIME [OVERLAPPING] BECAUSE YOUR IMMEDIATE QUESTION IF YOUR APPEARANCE.

HERE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HERE'S THE WHATEVER BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE MY IMMEDIATE AS A PARENT OR STAFF PERSON.

MY IMMEDIATE THING IS LIKE, WELL, WHAT'S NEXT AND WHAT'S THAT MEAN FOR ME OR MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> DR. HUNT, IN DETAIL YOU MENTIONED THE GOVERNANCE PART.

FROM A GOVERNANCE PART, WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS, DEEP COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT TO GETTING ON THE SYNC.

SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO THE QUESTION THAT HE'S SAYING, GETTING ON THE SYNC OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY WE ARE DOING IT.

RIGHT NOW 40 PLUS MEETINGS WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY, IT'S MOSTLY OF, SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT SO TO MAKE THE DECISION OF A AND B, I WANT SOME INPUT FROM YOUR TEAM OR WHAT'S PREFERENCE.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED TOWN HALL, YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO ONE TOWN HALL OR 10 TOWN HALL, THAT'S ON YOUR TEAM TO DECIDE WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET IN SYNC WITH THE COMMUNITY.

TO ACHIEVE THAT PURPOSE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR TEAM'S PREFERENCE, OPTION A AND OPTION B.

SECOND THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS, IF I PUT MYSELF IN A POSITION OF A PARENT AND I CARE ABOUT CONSOLIDATION, THE QUESTION COMES SO WHAT HAPPENS TO MY KID? WHICH SCHOOL DO THEY GO TO? WHAT HAPPENS TO MY BUS? WHAT HAPPENS TO EVERYTHING? WE CAN'T TAKE ONE DECISION AND LEAVE THE OTHER THOUGHTS, AT LEAST THE PLANNING PART OF IT OUTSIDE OF DECLARING THE DECISION.

CONSIDERING THESE TWO POINTS, WHAT REALLY I'M LOOKING FROM IS, YOUR TEAM'S INPUT IS HOW CAN THEY IMPLEMENT THE COMMUNICATION PLAN TO GET IN TO SYNC WITH COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHAT BOARD IS PLANNING TO DO, THIS IS WHY WE ARE DOING IT AND THESE ARE ALL THE BIG DECISIONS THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR KID.

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED TO DO THAT EFFECTIVELY?

>> BEFORE WE WEIGH IN THOUGH, I'D LIKE ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO SHARE BECAUSE ONCE I START TELLING YOU WHAT WE WANT TO DO, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO SO LET EVERYBODY SHARE, AND THEN I'LL TELL YOU WHAT OUR FEEDBACK HAS BEEN. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF.

>> NO, IT'S OKAY.

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>> ANYBODY WANT TO JUMP IN.

>> I WAS JUST THINKING WITH THE OPTION A OR B, I'M JUST THINKING THAT AGAIN, LIKE HOW MUCH TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU TO BE PREPARED BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF ANY OF THOSE OPTIONS, SOME BIG CHANGES, BIG DECISIONS ARE COMING OUR WAY.

I THINK AS MUCH AS IF THE DISTRICT IS PREPARED, IT WILL, AND THE WAY YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY, IT WILL SHOW THAT OKAY, THIS IS A BIG CHANGE COMING, BUT WE ARE PREPARED FOR THAT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM THE DISTRICT AT THIS POINT.

ALSO, TO HAVE SOME TIME TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION WITH ANY CHANGE AS A PARENT, I THINK.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SAYING YES OR NO.

IT'S JUST ABOUT HAVING THAT TIME, OKAY, THIS IS A CHANGE COMING MY WAY, AND THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF.

>> I THINK, TO TRUSTEE BENTLEY AND TRUSTEE RAVAL AT THIS POINT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THINKING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO CONVEY AND THE OUTCOME THAT YOU WANT TO GET AND SO REALLY IS, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? HOW IT'D IMPACT ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, AND WHAT IS THE OUTCOME THAT YOU WANTED TO GET IN THE END OF THIS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S ABOUT, CAN WE PRESERVE THE CONCEPT OF DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND WILL STILL BE PERCEIVED AS A DESTINATION SCHOOL DISTRICT ONCE ALL THAT INFORMATION IS BEING CONVEYED BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT, THEN ACTUALLY SOME ADDITIONAL WORK WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO CORRECT IT PRIOR TO ROLLING THAT OUT HOLISTICALLY I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY CHANGE DEFINITELY IS UNSETTLING WHEN IT COMES ACROSS, BUT ALSO PEOPLE CAN REALLY GET ON BOARD IF THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WHY IT'S BEING DONE AND HOW THEIR SITUATION WILL BE IMPACTED AND THAT THEY WILL COME OUT POSITIVELY IN WHATEVER DECISION THAT IS BEING MADE AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO SEE THAT COME ABOUT FROM A FRUITION STANDPOINT.

BUT I THINK JUST THE UNKNOWN, IF IT'S JUST PUT OUT THERE WITH THE UNKNOWN, I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WILL COME INTO PLAY AND CREATE MUCH MORE OF A CHALLENGE THAN JUST LAYING IT ALL OUT THERE, BUT HAVING A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME TO FIGURE OUT WOULD MAKES SENSE, AND CAN IT BE IMPLEMENTED WITH EFFICACY?

>> I'LL TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND I THINK YOU GUYS, NICOLE, MANISH, RONNIE Y'ALL SAID IT WELL.

IF I HOLD IT DOWN TO ONE WORD IS THE LOGISTICS.

IF I'M SAYING IF LIKE BIG BOLD [LAUGHTER] AIR QUOTES LIKE, DON'T TAKE ME OUT OF CONTEXT HERE.

IF THE DECISION AT THE END OF THIS IS, WE'VE GOT TO CONSOLIDATE, THEN KNOWING AT THAT POINT, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

NOT THE SPECIFIC.

THIS BUILDING IS NOW NOT IN USE, AND WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THAT PLAN IS.

I THINK THAT'S A SECONDARY DISCUSSION.

I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO KNOW THERE'S A CONSOLIDATION AND THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE MOMENT AND THEN WE COME BACK AND FIGURE OUT, LIKE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT PROPERTY OR FACILITY OR WHATEVER.

I THINK SOME OF THAT MAY BE ANSWERED BY BY YOUR PROCESS, ANGELA AND THAT TOOL.

BUT I THINK [NOISE] DR. HUNT TO THE QUESTION AT HAND, I THINK THAT YOU POSED TO US, I LOOK AT THIS, ZANE TOUCHED ON IT HERE A WHILE BACK WHEN HE HAD SPOKEN AFTER HE WAS NAMED THE PRINCIPAL AT NEW TECH.

SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE'VE HAD THIS UNDERLYING THOUGHT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE CLOSED OR THIS SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE CLOSED AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE'VE NEVER HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE CAN PUT THOSE TO REST IS WE HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO DO THAT OR CONSOLIDATE OR WHATEVER.

BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SWIFT.

BUT, THE BIG BUT, DELIBERATE IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

FOR ME, I'M AN OPTION A BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A TIMELINE THAT ACCOMPLISHES THAT PIECE OF IT FOR ME.

I JUST WORRY OPTION B IS TOO CONSOLIDATED AND OCCURRING OVER SUMMER MONTHS

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WE'VE LEARNED FROM THINGS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

WHEN YOU DO THINGS OVER THE SUMMER, IT JUST ALLUDES TO BEING OUT OF SYNC.

I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT WORD MANISH YOU USED, PUTS US OUT OF SYNC WITH THE COMMUNITY, I WOULD RATHER US HAVE THAT PROCESS.

YOU GUYS HAVE TIME TO DO THE TOOL AND TO PROPERLY VET THAT PART OF IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME VERY DELIBERATE CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WITH WHAT THAT TOOL IS AND A BASE LINE SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

>> MR. HILL, AND YOUR?

>> IT'D BE OPTION A.

>> IT'D BE OPTION A BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT THE TIMING WITH PEOPLE BEING GONE AND I WANT EVERYTHING TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS TIME CAN POSSIBLY ALLOW.

>> I AGREE. SAME REASON, OPTION A.

>> MR. SETHI, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING, A OR B? YOU SAID SOME THINGS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU EVER ACTUALLY SAID A LETTER AND THEN YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

>> TO ME, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE BE IN SYNC WITH THE COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD RELY ON YOU TO TELL ME IF WE GO WITH THIS OPTION, WE CAN BE IN SYNC WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE BEST POSSIBLE MANNER.

THIS IS A [INAUDIBLE] SUBJECT, AND WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A LOT OF EMOTIONS FROM COMMUNITY, LOT OF CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WHATEVER FEEDBACK YOU THINK THE BEST IS THE OPTION FOR ME [INAUDIBLE] WHICHEVER OPTION GIVES YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY TO REACH THAT OBJECTIVE.

>> TO BE CLEAR, HAVE WE DECIDED TO CONSOLIDATE A SCHOOL, HAVE WE DECIDED THAT?

>> NO.

>> I HEARD A BIG YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

>> SO LOOKING AT OPTION A, WHERE IS THAT DISCUSSED? IS THAT SEPTEMBER 9TH? IS THAT THE REVIEW RECOMMENDED COURSE OF ACTION? THAT'S WHERE THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED AND EVALUATED.

>> YES.

>> YEAH. I THINK OPTION A OR OPTION C. OPTION A, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING OVER THE SUMMER FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, AND ALSO LOOKED LIKE A VERY COMPRESSED TIMELINE OPTION B DID.

I CAN ELIMINATE OPTION B.

HOW ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WAY TOO FAST.

I WOULD JUST SAY BROAD STROKES OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS NOT REVERSIBLE, THAT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND CHANGE IS CONSOLIDATING THE SCHOOL.

EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS ON THE TABLE, WE COULD CHANGE OUR MIND OR A FUTURE BOARD COULD CHANGE THEIR MIND IN A YEAR AND REVERSE IT.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CLOSING A SCHOOL, IT'S DONE, AND SO I THINK TAKING OUR TIME AND BEING CRAZY INTENTIONAL AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THAT.

OBVIOUSLY, I THINK OUT OF THE TWO OPTIONS, OPTION A IS WHAT I WOULD PICK.

>> LET'S SEE. I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT TO SAY I WAS LISTENING TO YOU.

THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ANSWER, OPTION A MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

IT IS THE MOST TRANSPARENT.

WE HAVE THE LONGEST LEAD TIME OF THE TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED ABOUT FINDING THE INFORMATION AND INVOLVING THE COMMUNITY.

I AGREE COMPLETELY THAT IF YOU DO SO THE SUMMER WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE OUT, THE ATTENTION WOULD NEVER BE BAD, BUT THE APPEARANCE WOULD BE BAD, AND THEN GIVE IT THE CONSIDERATION THAT IT DESERVES BECAUSE AS WE'VE SEEN BY THE NUMBERS OR WHATEVER, THE BIG DECISIONS MAY HAVE TO BE MADE.

THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT OF NOT EXTENDING IT ANY FURTHER THAN THAT IS THAT I HAVE TALKED TO EDUCATORS AROUND AND THE ANXIETY IS HIGH ALREADY.

THE FURTHER YOU PUSH THIS OUT, THE WORSE THAT ANXIETY BECOMES, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GET CLOSER TO IT.

TO MR. HILL'S POINT ABOUT THE THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH IT AS I WAS LIKE, LOOKING BACK HERE ON THE PLACARDS THAT WE HAVE UP.

I THINK THE THING THAT BRINGS EVERYBODY TO THIS DISTRICT, THE THINGS THAT MAKES COPPELL ISD THRIVE IS ITS MISSION AND ITS CORE VALUES.

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WHATEVER THE DECISION COMES THROUGH, I THINK MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO TIE BACK TO THAT STORY AND HOW ARE WE STILL LIVING THAT MISSION OUT OF EDUCATIONAL EXCELLENCE AND DESTINATION DISTRICT AND ALL THAT AND BEING TRUE TO THE VALUES AS WE TELL HOW WE'RE LAYING IT OUT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

NO MATTER WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO, NO MATTER WHAT BUILDING YOU GO TO, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT GUIDE EVERYTHING WE DO AND IT'LL BE LIKE THAT NOW, IT'LL BE LIKE THAT ON SEPTEMBER 31ST.

IF WE GO WITH OPTION A.

>> WE AS A STAFF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON IT TOO, BECAUSE THERE CERTAINLY IS SOME VALIDITY TO SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IF A BIG DECISION LIKE THAT IS TO BE MADE AND ANXIETY CAN COME FROM NOT KNOWING AND WONDERING AND YOU CAN LEARN TO ACCEPT SOMETHING AND MOVE FORWARD WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS.

BUT IT IS ALSO OUR PRACTICE TO BE VERY METHODICAL, STRATEGIC.

YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT RESONATE WITH ME BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

>> INTENTIONAL DELIBERATE.

>> INTENTIONALLY DELIBERATELY [LAUGHTER] SOMETHING.

AND WE DO A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT TOO AND IT TAKES TIME TO DO ALL OF THOSE ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.

SO IT REALLY WAS FRIDAY'S PRINCIPAL MEETING THAT IT MOVED US MORE TOWARDS A THAN B FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS THAT YOU SAID, AND I WON'T REHASH THEM.

SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION TOO, BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAD ASKED FOR OPTIONS, AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS.

BUT OUR PREFERENCE IS A AND ANY STAFF MEMBER THAT WANTS TO WEIGH IN CAN WEIGH IN TOO.

BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO SHARE FIRST BEFORE WE GAVE YOU OUR THOUGHTS.

I THINK WE HEARD A LOT OF THOSE SAME THINGS AND OUR INTENTION IS TO BE VERY PLANFUL IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT WERE TO NEED TO HAPPEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE PLANS IN PLACE BECAUSE THERE IS ANXIETY NOT ONLY WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT WITH STAFF AND EVEN STUDENTS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY WHAT THE PLAN IS LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID, WHAT THE LOGISTICS OF OF ANY DECISION WERE.

AND SO I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD TOP PARTNERS ON THAT AS WELL.

BUT WE'RE A PROCESS DRIVEN DISTRICT WHEN WE'RE PROCESS PEOPLE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALLOW THE PROCESS TO WORK.

SO 711 IS OFF TO A GREAT START THAT PROCESS NEEDS TO GO THROUGH PICKING UP WITH THE EVALUATION PIECE.

MS. IKLE IS GOING TO HELP LEAD THAT COMPONENT.

AND WE WANT THAT PIECE TO BE ABLE TO FULLY BE FLESHED OUT BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE NEXT STEPS AND KNOWING THAT IT'S A BIG DECISION AND IT HAS ONE THAT'S FILLED WITH A LOT OF EMOTION TOO, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HANDLE IT IN THE MOST DELICATE WAY POSSIBLE.

>> DOCTOR HUNT, YOU SAID SO A COUPLE OF TIMES AND IT'S REALLY STUCK WITH ME, CLARITY IS KINDNESS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.

SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE CLARITY.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

SO CLARITY IS A KINDNESS.

AND ON THAT WHEN YOU SAID WITH THE PROCESSING TIME, I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY WISE BECAUSE I THINK AS A BOARD MEMBER, IT TAKES ME PROCESSING TIME.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON I LIKE OPTION A.

IT GIVES ME THAT PROCESSING TIME TO LET THINGS PERCOLATE AND I THINK OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS THAT AS WELL.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S EMBEDDED IN THIS TOO, THE BOTH THE CLARITY AND THE PROCESS.

[NOISE]

>> AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE SUMMER MONTHS CAN BE FILLED WITH THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO CISD, AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE TUNED IN AND PLUGGED IN.

JUST A REMINDER OUR JUNE AND JULY WORKSHOPS AND MEETINGS WILL BE HELD IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WEST AND THE LGI ROOM.

AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE TOO.

[NOISE] WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY KNOWS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT, NAVIN.

[LAUGHTER] BECAUSE OF THE UPDATES FOR THE REFRESH FROM THE BOND, THIS BOARD ROOM WILL BE OFF LIMITS.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE MEANING HOW TO STAY PLUG IN.

WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR COMMITMENT TO BEING TRANSPARENT AND SENDING OUT UPDATES AFTER POSTING THINGS ONLINE, MAKING SURE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

THEN AS WE TALKED ABOUT TO SOME TYPE OF TOWN HALL, WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME PRELIMINARY PLANNING ON WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S GREAT. WE STILL HAVE MORE PIECES TO THE BUDGET TO REVIEW,

[03:20:04]

>> THIS IS JUST THE CALENDAR.

WE TYPICALLY DO AT THE END OF EVERY [NOISE] TALK ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT STEP WILL BE AND THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE AND THAT'S WE'LL BRING THE SECOND DRAFT OF THE GENERAL OPERATING FUND, THE COMPENSATION PLAN AND THE FOOD SERVICE BUDGET.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SARKAR ON THE BUDGET PLANNING CALENDAR? AND THEN ONE MORE PLUG FOR THE LOCATION CHANGE. THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW WE HAD TO CUT SOMETHING SHORT AND CLOSE BECAUSE I KNEW WE HAD PEOPLE OUT HERE WAITING.

IS THERE ANY NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE REST OF THAT, OR IS EVERYBODY GOOD?

>> WE GOOD.

>> I'M GOOD.

>> YOU'RE GOOD. [LAUGHTER] BUT AS WE SAY IN ALL OF OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, THE FIRST TWO WORDS OF OUR MISSION STATEMENT, THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHAT WE FIRMLY BELIEVE IS GOING TO GET US THROUGH.

WE NEED BUDGET CHALLENGES IS US WORKING TOGETHER, STAYING CONNECTED, STAYING INFORMED AND ENGAGING WITH OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT IS ONE OF OUR FOUR IMPORTANT CORE VALUES AND ONE THAT'S A HALLMARK OF THIS DISTRICT, AND SO WE WILL GET THERE.

>> WELL, THANK YOU ALL. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A VERY LONG DAY.

SO THANKS FOR HANGING IN WITH US. MANISH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> I MOVE THE AGENDA. [LAUGHTER]

>> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY TRUSTEE MANISH SETHI SECONDED BY TRUSTEE ANTHONY HILL TO ADJOURN. ANY DISCUSSION.

HERE, IN, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT MOTION PASSES 7-0.

WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 9:20. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.